CCI Shotshell Rounds - LEGAL OR ILLEGAL ?? AM I A CRIMINAL NOW?

[3RDGEARGRNDRR]

So, I have 38/357 CCI Shotshell rounds when I go Camping for snake rounds.


1) Shotgun Barrels < 18"= illegal

2) Taurus Judge/S&W Governor that can shoot .410 shells = illegal

3) Laws in Peoples Republic of Kalifornia frequently misunderstood.

4) Conclusion: CCI Shotshells can turn any gun into SBS??

technically, isnt my 38/357 or any other popular caliber gun illegal if it can fire CCI Shotshell rounds?

Wouldn't this technically be an SBS?

Ok, I really hope Sen. Yee is not watching this getting a new idea.

[gunsmith]

you probably are in violation of the law, if you like you can ship them to me because I am a nice guy that lives just across the border.

[Texas Boy]

The Taurus Judge was specifically designed to fire shot shells, and while it does have riffling, it is very shallow. More importantly, it was designed to hold a 410 shotgun shell, so CA considers it a SBS. See this thread for more info - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=128910

Your 357/38 was not designed to fire shot shells, and won't chamber a 410, hence it is legal.

Regarding the CCI shotshells, I believe they are legal because there are not a "fixed shot shell" but hopefully someone else can chime in with a more precise explanation.

Remember, it's not logic, it's the law.

[tabrisnet]

If you honestly think it might be illegal, you should present it as a hypothetical... one should never admit to wrongdoing in a public forum, at least w/o a reasonable amount of levity and making it sound like fiction.

[Baja Jones]

The funny part of this thread is like so many the OP is attempting to make sense of California fire arms laws. These laws were written by people that understand nothing about fire arms or ammo. If the OP is being absurd to illustrate absurdity, I like it. The folks responding need to lighten up. Including me!
Jones

[Librarian]

technically, isnt my 38/357 or any other popular caliber gun illegal if it can fire CCI Shotshell rounds?

Wouldn't this technically be an SBS?

No. Texas Boy got it.

PC 17180 -

As used in Sections 16530 and 16640, Sections 17720 to 17730, inclusive,
Section 17740, Article 1 (commencing with Section 27500) of Chapter 4 of
Division 6 of Title 4, and Article 1 (commencing with Section 33210) of
Chapter 8 of Division 10 of Title 4, "short-barreled shotgun" means any of
the following:
(a) A firearm that is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell
and has a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(b) A firearm that has an overall length of less than 26 inches and that
is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(c) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification,
or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less
than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(d) Any device that may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell
which, when so restored, is a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c),
inclusive.
(e) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a
device into a device defined in subdivisions (a) to (c), inclusive, or any
combination of parts from which a device defined in subdivisions (a) to
(c), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the
possession or under the control of the same person.

[bwiese]

gunsmith, that was a very unhelpful response that decreased clarity.

Shotshells indeed are not 'fixed shotgun shells'. Ordinary pistols that chamber regular ammo, including shotshells, are *not* SBSes.

Taurus Judges are illegal SBSes because - whether rifled or not - they accept normal shotgun shells. However, the AOW exclusion can allow Judges if they've been properly papered as NFA AOWs before you acquire them.

[IEShooter]

gunsmith, that was a very unhelpful response that decreased clarity.

Ummmm...he was obviously joking. After all, he advised the guy to give away his guns.

[pumpkinshooter]

On a related note, what is the legality of killing a rattlesnake with snake shot in a condor zone?

[Wrangler John]

I'll send you a nice Pittman & Davis gift basket of fruit for your first Christmas in prison.

[vantec08]

you probably are in violation of the law, if you like you can ship them to me because I am a nice guy that lives just across the border.

LOL!

[3RDGEARGRNDRR]

The Taurus - http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=128910

Your 357/38 was not designed to fire shot shells, and won't chamber a 410, hence it is legal.


Remember, it's not logic, it's the law.

so true. I should stop using logic.

Thanks. Search did not really reveal this thread. Makes better sense. And yes. I was being absurd with our CA laws.

Oh BTW it is illegal to shoot anything in a condor zone ith exposed lead in our state. So just get bitten instead

[bob7122]

gunsmith, that was a very unhelpful response that decreased clarity.

Shotshells indeed are not 'fixed shotgun shells'. Ordinary pistols that chamber regular ammo, including shotshells, are *not* SBSes.

Taurus Judges are illegal SBSes because - whether rifled or not - they accept normal shotgun shells. However, the AOW exclusion can allow Judges if they've been properly papered as NFA AOWs before you acquire them.

yep, i believe oc armory use to sell them/still might. and if you have ever met the owner you know he knows his stuff.

[nick]

Sure, you can kill a rattlesnake with them in a condor zone, bit only if you don't eat it - can't use it on game, you know

Since, given our convoluted gun laws nothing is to ridiculous to exist, people might actually take my post seriously, I officially declare it a joke. Well, I hope it's a joke, but who knows - I might've missed some law or regulation...

[CSACANNONEER]

so true. I should stop using logic.

Thanks. Search did not really reveal this thread. Makes better sense. And yes. I was being absurd with our CA laws.

Oh BTW it is illegal to shoot anything in a condor zone ith exposed lead in our state. So just get bitten instead

Wrong, many things inside the consort zone can be legally shot with lard based projectiles. Please read and understand the law before trying to give legal advice about it.

yep, i believe oc armory use to sell them/still might. and if you have ever met the owner you know he knows his stuff.

The Judges that OC Armory sells are NFA registered AOWs and exempted from CA SBS laws.