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  • SparkYZ
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 684

    Link for the Yee to Harris letter

    Hey guys I can't find the letter that Yee sent to the AG, asking to redefine the detachable magazine definition. Link please?
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    G60
    Veteran Member
    • Feb 2008
    • 3989

    "Any unarmed people are slaves, or are subject to slavery at any given moment." - Dr. Huey P. Newton

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      huntercf
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2011
      • 3114

      Does this mean that the AG can rewrite laws without the legislature and the governor? This sounds extremely dangerous and illegal.
      Gun control is a 1" group at 500 yds!

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        wildhawker
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Nov 2008
        • 14150

        Originally posted by huntercf
        Does this mean that the AG can rewrite laws without the legislature and the governor? This sounds extremely dangerous and illegal.
        No, she can't, which is why SB 249 is such a pivotal issue.

        -Brandon
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          SparkYZ
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2011
          • 684

          God that pisses me off. It's their fault for not writing an airtight law in the first place. They f*cked up, so we get stiffed if they try to fix it. Ugh

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            Don29palms
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2010
            • 1829

            The state says it's not right for citzens to violate the intent of the assault weapon ban but it's ok for the state to violate the intent of the 2A.
            Using gun control to stop crime is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline!
            You don't have to get permission to exercise a RIGHT. If you have to get permission or can be told no by the government it is no longer a right. IT IS A PRIVILEGE!
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            • #7
              huntercf
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2011
              • 3114

              Originally posted by SparkYZ
              God that pisses me off. It's their fault for not writing an airtight law in the first place. They f*cked up, so we get stiffed if they try to fix it. Ugh
              I don't think they can write an airtight law (and they know it) because it violates the 2A. They just keep trying all this bs because there is no recourse for them violating everyone's rights.
              Gun control is a 1" group at 500 yds!

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              • #8
                mdimeo
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2006
                • 614

                Originally posted by huntercf
                Does this mean that the AG can rewrite laws without the legislature and the governor? This sounds extremely dangerous and illegal.
                Sorta. The "bullet tip is a tool" bit of the bullet button law we all know and love is actually not in the statutes, it's in the code of regulations. The regs were written that way after SKS owners complained that their rifles would become illegal (fixed magazines removable for maintenance with a bullet tip).

                Regulations can be rewritten, but it's not a trivial exercise.

                Somebody who knows more could maybe chime in here?

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                  J20DB
                  Member
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 166

                  "This regulation appears to have resulted in rifles being manufactured and sold in California that meet the definition of assult weapons... yet some claim are legal because they contain a feature known as a "bullet button".

                  The irony is not lost on me that the "some" mentioned above includes the California DOJ. It's such a nice feeling knowing that our nannies up north want to reverse case law and turn thousands of legal gun owners into felons.

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                  • #10
                    motorhead
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 3409

                    did the ag ever reply to this?
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                    • #11
                      dantodd
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 9360

                      Originally posted by motorhead
                      did the ag ever reply to this?
                      Not formally, my understanding is that there we (and probably are ongoing) off-the-record face to face meetings between either Harris or her Sr. Staff and Yee but the AG doesn't want to put anything in writing.
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                      • #12
                        easy
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 1287

                        "If it's not recorded/written, it didn't happen."

                        Totally believable
                        The thing with firearms is that they are not like any other consumer product, simple ownership of one carries a lot of responsibility.

                        Some idiots are too busy knowing it all to ever learn anything
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                        • #13
                          supermanuf
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2011
                          • 838

                          Originally posted by Don29palms
                          The state says it's not right for citzens to violate the intent of the assault weapon ban but it's ok for the state to violate the intent of the 2A.
                          I love this. Well put.

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                          • #14
                            bwiese
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 27616

                            Originally posted by huntercf
                            Does this mean that the AG can rewrite laws without the legislature and the governor? This sounds extremely dangerous and illegal.
                            1. The AG can indeed rewrite regulations, provided they don't create underground regulations, etc. [This can often be hard.] Regulatory law is the function of agencies, not legislation.

                            2. The AG may well be supporting the Yee bill because she doesn't want to be the focal point of writing regulatory law that will have severe legal issues and conflicts with the past.

                            3. So it's win-win for Kamala: she keeps her hands 'clean' and lets Yee screw up for her and still gets antigun PR credits.

                            Understand that Kamala Harris has professional Deputy AGs that more deeply (and without much ideology) understand these issues. It's also why she ran away from reporters in the Ch 5 news segment - she already knows the background of CA's AW law problems.

                            4. Kamala also likely knows that past employees have no love for the DOJ regardless of their political stance on guns. These folks will, if deposed/ subpoenaed, tell all sorts of interesting background details, history, describe attitudes, enforcement levels, etc. Nobody's gonna perjure themselves for a past bureaucratic employer - even some of our past enemies there.

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                            San Jose, CA

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                            • #15
                              taperxz
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Feb 2010
                              • 19395

                              Originally posted by bwiese
                              1. The AG can indeed rewrite regulations, provided they don't create underground regulations, etc. [This can often be hard.] Regulatory law is the function of agencies, not legislation.

                              2. The AG may well be supporting the Yee bill because she doesn't want to be the focal point of writing regulatory law that will have severe legal issues and conflicts with the past.

                              3. So it's win-win for Kamala: she keeps her hands 'clean' and lets Yee screw up for her and still gets antigun PR credits.

                              Understand that Kamala Harris has professional Deputy AGs that more deeply (and without much ideology) understand these issues. It's also why she ran away from reporters in the Ch 5 news segment - she already knows the background of CA's AW law problems.

                              4. Kamala also likely knows that past employees have no love for the DOJ regardless of their political stance on guns. These folks will, if deposed/ subpoenaed, tell all sorts of interesting background details, history, describe attitudes, enforcement levels, etc. Nobody's gonna perjure themselves for a past bureaucratic employer - even some of our past enemies there.
                              Would this be something to listen to.

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