convert semi-auto to full auto?

[Kodemonkey]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FPSRussia

His videos are still awesome though. I could care less that he fooled a million people or not. It actually makes it more entertaining.

[efillc]

This is incorrect. An entity properly licensed as a 07/02 can make any Title II firearm, in addition to Title I firearms. A good example is the KRISS sub-machinegun. A very post-86 MG. Its inventor did not have any contracts to fill, but could still make it full-auto because they've paid the taxes to be a Title II manufacturer. They make one (or a hundred) and file the Form 2 with the ATF. If a dealer has a qualified customer (ex: a police department), then the dealer gets a letter from the PD and submits with it a Form 3 (tax free transfer between qualified entities) to the ATF. When the ATF approves it, KRISS can then send one or two to the dealer, after the dealer pays for these "post-86 dealer samples". The dealer is free to hang on to the post samples for future sales demos, or sell them to another dealer with a demo letter. The only time post-86 MGs can be transferred between dealers without a demo letter is if the seller is giving up/not paying their SOT for the following year. They can sell their MGs to any other Title II dealer or manufacturer without demo letters.

Thanks for seting these folks straight. I thought my head was going to explode with all the incorrect info in the first few posts.

From what I've read, most entertainment industry firearm houses are also licensed as 07/02s, simply because it is more cost effective to build up a MG than find a transferable one. Unlike PDs and the military, these firms do not have any exemption to acquire post-86 MGs, although talk of laws giving them that exemption comes up often.

This is also correct. The movie houses also rent post-86 mgs from those of us who have them.

I've also heard discussions about that exemption. Should it ever come to pass, my AmEx will go into meltdown.

[sharxbyte]

You can own a Drop In Auto Seer ONLY if you do not own a compatible weapon. If you do, it's considered constructive possession. So basically they're pointless.

The only exception for the average Joe would be owning a Pre-81 DIAS that was registered as an MG.

http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/ar_15_auto_sear_faq.txt

[Wherryj]

It is my belief that it is illegal to convert a semi-automatic rifle to a fully-automatic rifle in the US. In fact, I believe that it is illegal to even own the kits to perform the conversion.

But, I have this guy on another channel adamantly insisting that it is fully legal to do so (with a Class 3 license), and that "they sell full conversion kits [for] under $50."

I think he's basically on the web encouraging people to commit a crime, but I suppose it's possible there's something I don't know. Frankly, at this point I don't care if this guy, specifically, goes around committing federal felonies, but I'd just as soon not see him encouraging other people to do the same.

Anyway, am I right? I think the GCA's Hughes Amendment made this illegal, but maybe it's just a state-level thing.

Anyone have any cite's and references I can look at? My google fu is kind of letting me down here. I can find lots of references to the fact that this is illegal, but no actual pointers to the penal code.

FBI/DoJ sting operation?

[Anchors]

It is perfectly legal for a properly licensed individual or corporate entity (LLC, partnership, or a big corporation like Colt) to make machineguns. They need a manufacturing (07) FFL, and pay the SOT for "Title II" firearms, which includes machineguns, but also SBR/SBS, AOWs, and suppressors. Most of the time, this is shortened to 07/02 FFL. Once the title II firearm is made, the licensed person or firm submits what is known as a Form 2, notifying the ATF that they made a title II firearm. This puts it into the NFA registry.

So there is a legit market for conversion parts.

IIANAL, but I believe an unlicensed person may posses the parts if he/she does not posses the firearm that those parts are made for.

Exactly. And even in CA.
However if you don't have the proper CA permits it is hard to do much with your SOT after you make the cool stuff.

People always say "class 3" "class 3 license", they really mean Title II weapons and the license is an FFL with an SOT. For instance, a lot of FFL are 07/02. They can manufacture and sell most weapons that are not "destructive devices".