10rd Magazines, Law of the Land.

[Banaholic California]

Like I live in a country full of irrational idiots. All the joker would have had to do to kill a bunch of unarmed people is just buy lots of 10 rd mag.... or buy limited 30 to 10 rd mags and make them back into 30. Same goes for drums...

[L84CABO]

Folks,

How would you feel if 10 round magazines became the rule? For everyone in the US, good thing? Bad thing?. I enjoy my AR15 NM/A2 rifles with 10rd magazines. Is the "standard capacity magazine" protected by the 2A ?. The shooting has cause me to pause and think, does anyone really need a 100rd Beta C magazine?.
I understand the reasons that people might offer to say they "need" them. I wholly and absolutely DO NOT want the AR/AK platforms to be banned, removed or otherwise taken away from the Citizens, but does anyone need that kind of firepower for recreational, or sport shooting?. All replies are welcome, I can dish it, I can take, flame suit is on. A2

Actually I don't believe you understand one little bit the reasons that people might say they "need" them. It appears as if you may have been sleeping through your high school history and civics classes. Because if you understood the real issue here, you simply would not be asking this question.

Class is in session. PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME!

The Second Amendment is not about your right to recreational shoot or sport shoot. It's about your right to be able to defend your FREEDOM...whether threats to that freedom come from an oppressive foreign king or, god forbid, your own government.

And in a situation where you actually had to defend your freedom, you are going to want/need as much fire power as you can get.

Now go to the board and write the following 500 times...

"...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

[Dellinger]

They may wipe their @$$ the same as you and me but I choose not to use the Constitution to do so.
When you believe the tool is getting the job done not the guy holding it,no reason or ammount of education will change your mind.
They are sold on a gun free society.
The 2A is for protection from any who would want to abuse us, foreign or domestic. The 2A is not so you can go to shooting competitions or for hunters. Ask the people of Norway if gun bans or mag capacities made any difference.
Not an inch!

[LoneYote]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I think this is a most important and oft glossed over section. This shows the true metal of the founding fathers. This shows that they were not "gun nuts" out to "destroy people". Contrary to mommy violence does solve things. The point is that it SHOULD BE the last resort. The first amendment says we have the right to tell the government they are not failing at the job tasked to them. he first amendment says we have the right to tell them they are wrong and should stop. The second amendment says that if all else fails we have the right to take the power out of the government hands.

Revolutions can be terrible bloody affairs. When these things happen there is always wrong done by both sides. It is my honest hope that I will never have to be involved in one. As a citizen of the United States I understand that some day I may have to be. If that day comes any who stand against the government will be criminals and the least of there concerns will be additional jail time for contraband.

I hate 10 round magazines. They throw off the aesthetic look of my rifle. I have no "need" whatever that is for a 100 rnd beta mag. However, if they make one in my caliber and it is not outlawed I will buy one.

I feel much safer with a 40yo firearms veteran with 20 years of experience handling a fulling automatic weapon than an 18 yo with a month of training. A purely volunteer military does not purely recruit the best of the best after all....

[DannyInSoCal]

Banning the anti-gunners failed fantasy of "gun free safe zones" -

Will save 1000 times more innocent lives compared to placing an arbitrary restriction on how many rounds fit into a mag....

[kotetu]

Folks,
How would you feel if 10 round magazines became the rule? For everyone in the US, good thing? Bad thing?. I enjoy my AR15 NM/A2 rifles with 10rd magazines. Is the "standard capacity magazine" protected by the 2A ?. The shooting has cause me to pause and think, does anyone really need a 100rd Beta C magazine?.
I understand the reasons that people might offer to say they "need" them. I wholly and absolutely DO NOT want the AR/AK platforms to be banned, removed or otherwise taken away from the Citizens, but does anyone need that kind of firepower for recreational, or sport shooting?. All replies are welcome, I can dish it, I can take, flame suit is on. A2

The 2nd Amendment is Constitutional recognition and protection of our Natural Right to defend ourselves from ALL threats, the most dangerous of which is an oppressive government. So yes, we need them.

[Dantedamean]

Actually I don't believe you understand one little bit the reasons that people might say they "need" them. It appears as if you may have been sleeping through your high school history and civics classes. Because if you understood the real issue here, you simply would not be asking this question.

Class is in session. PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME!

The Second Amendment is not about your right to recreational shoot or sport shoot. It's about your right to be able to defend your FREEDOM...whether threats to that freedom come from an oppressive foreign king or, god forbid, your own government.

And in a situation where you actually had to defend your freedom, you are going to want/need as much fire power as you can get.

Now go to the board and write the following 500 times...

"...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

QFT
Yes! Its very easy for people to get lost in the "sporting use" issue. I hate that people feel the need to justify gun ownership this way. I own guns to keep mr Obama in line, not to shoot clays. ( although that is fun )

[DeuceDeuce_22]

Did OP get possessed by Bill Ruger?

[smeg]

That was painful to read.
It sounds like you've been oppressed into submission.

+1 on that.

Why would anyone 'need' a 100rd magazine is followed too soon by why does anyone 'need' a gun.

I don't need anti-gun libtards telling me what I need or don't need.

[supersonic]

Folks,
I enjoy my AR15 NM/A2 rifles with 10rd magazines. Is the "standard capacity magazine" protected by the 2A ?. The shooting has cause me to pause and think, does anyone really need a 100rd Beta C magazine?.

Well, why is it you "need" your NMA2? Oh, wait, you already mentioned your reasoning above:

Folks,
I enjoy my AR15 NM/A2 rifles

Many of us ENJOY our 30/40/50 & 100 round "Beta C Magazines." Geezus. You are one step further towards Anti-thinking. Next it will be "Well, who really needs 10-rounders?" Then: "Who really needs 5-rounders?" And on and on until you get too old to shoot your NMA2 and then it will be "Well, who really needs NMA2 rifles? They are no different than military-type rifles." Hey Bradys - looks like you have a very potential future member coming down the pike. He's duplicating your "Why does anyone NEED......blah blah blah...."

It's not about "NEED," it's about freedom and the 2nd amendment. Surprised you would even bring something like this up. True colors, it looks like.

[LRB]

Hay Marine do you go to war with 10rds 2A is about the state fearing you not you fearing the state Semper Fi

[hoffmang]

Constitutionally, 10 rounds is not an historical or categorical definition. At the founding militia muster required round counts in the 20's. At the adoption of the 14th, the Henry held 16 and was exceedingly popular as Union soldiers bought it from local gun shops.

-Gene

[Shapes And Colors]

Wow. I read all 6 pages and the only conclusion I can come to is that there seems to be two strict groups. You can either be in the "that seems reasonable as long as we get something in return" camp, or you can be in the "forget that, over my dead body, I'll fight to the death, anybody that believes anything different than me in any way should be shot for treason!"

The simple fact is this, you cannot look at it as if this is a black and white issue. I'm sure I'll get flaming responses about how the 2A is black and white, etc., but the truth of today is nothing is fair. Nothing works the way it should, the constitution is severely twisted in every way possible, and none of this downward spiral has been reversed. I'd love to sit here and yell about the absolute nature of the 2nd amendment and how it clearly means we can own whatever we want, but I can't do it. I'm being a realist. Being on the extreme end is not going to help our cause either way.

This is a polarizing issue within the community, and understandably so. A previous post mentioned to an excellent point, that we have never received any kind of compromise in our 2A restrictions. It's all about "take, take, take". This is absolutely unreasonable, I completely agree. That said, I don't feel as though eliminating an existing restraint on our rights in trade for another restriction is a yes or no proposition either. This is another one of those "it depends" arguments. If the proposition was to limit magazines to standard capacity, i.e. 30 rounds, in trade for 100% shall issue and reciprocity, I personally would back that. Why? Because it's a step in the right direction, and it beats the hell out of playing the absolute card and losing another increment. I look at this question from a strategic standpoint, and a 50% win is better than a 100% loss, with each round played diligently and strategically.

This is my personal opinion, of course. I do not feel the need to convince others to feel the same way I do, and I certainly don't feel the need to divide our community even further by resorting to calling fellow gun owners "liberal anti-gunners" simply because my view differs from theirs.

[ar15robert]

I own a RAW and have plenty of hi caps.Honestly i really dont load them full and fire away.I use to shoot some matches and used them there but for rec shooting i kinda like to keep my barrel life.I like to make everyshot count but on occasion will do some rapid fire.I actually prefer the 20s vs the 30s.

My mini 14 i load it up and fire away though.

Either way i think people should be able to own what they want to as far as mag capacity goes.

[lilro]

A 10rd limit will turn into a 5rd limit, which will turn into a 1rd limit, which will turn into semi-autos being useless and then banned. If we let them keep taking our guns an accessory or feature at a time, we will end up with single shot .22s, which will lead to no guns at all.