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Old 07-05-2016, 5:11 PM
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The NRA: Gets bashed by anti Gunners for doing too much, gets bashed by pro Gunners for not doing enough. However things turn out, apparently it's the NRA's fault.

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**** the NRA. All they do is send me spam mail and phone calls. They don't do anything for our gun rights here in California. I'm not giving them another cent.
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Old 07-05-2016, 5:46 PM
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**** the NRA. All they do is send me spam mail and phone calls. They don't do anything for our gun rights here in California. I'm not giving them another cent.
You can't be serious?

California is the only state the NRA dedicates a full time lobbyist to. It has other employees who have accomplished all of this (and much more that oftentimes cannot be discussed publicly): http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpen...irs-Report.pdf

And they have lawyers doing all of this: http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpen...-June-2016.pdf

And here is an older report on things NRA has done in CA: http://www.calgunlaws.com/wp-content...ers-Report.pdf

This is not to mention that NRA donated the maximum allowed under law to the campaign to oppose Gavin Newsom's initiative (have you donated yet?): http://www.stoptheammograb.com/

And just standby for much more in the near future that NRA and CRPA will be doing jointly.

NRA spends more money in CA than it takes in from here. Please stop spreading misinformation.
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Old 07-05-2016, 6:57 PM
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^Thank you for that post.

I am focusing my dollars TO the NRA.

In the past I've spread my donations all over, but some education, learning experiences, and reflection have caused me to rethink that and focus on the NRA /NRA-ILA.

Even Kes recommends donating to the NRA and others before this board.

PS - it's not just the money either - how many actually called/ wrote their legislators? Wonder how many here even vote?
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Old 07-05-2016, 6:59 PM
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We're all furious with the recent laws, but I'm hearing a lot of asinine whining by people blaming the NRA and threatening to quit it. "F&&& the NRA" or "I'm never giving the NRA another penny!

I have a few questions and comments for you geniuses:

1.) Okay so you're quitting the NRA, what is your awesome, effective alternative plan?

2.) "The NRA has given up on Kommiefornia!" You know what? This is true, and to some extent necessary. The NRA's resources are limited, it isn't funded by billionaires like Bloomberg. It has to fight battles it can win. It has to fight BS like this:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...701-story.html

That's right, the Dems never stop, they want to bring back the federal AWB and they never stop trying. I support and donate to the NRA because I want there to be free states left to flee to when I am able.

3.) "The NRA could have done more!!" No organisation is perfect. Sure, maybe they could have done more, but what do you really do in a state where the Green Party is almost bigger than the Republican Party? What can they do in a state where we (pro gun people) are outnumbered 10 to 1? Running TV ads accusing state legislators of being anti-gun will probably get them more votes in a state like this! The NRA is busy filing lawsuits, but can't get past liberal judges.

4.) Gavin Newsom says "the People are sick of the NRA", I guess he's right? He'll be very delighted to hear that you all agree, and will be quitting the NRA, which is his sworn enemy. He is happy that you will join him in condemning the NRA.

5.) Blaming the NRA for the actions of Democrats elected by their liberal constituents is not so different from blaming a gun for a terrorist attack, don't you think? We tell people not to blame the gun for the actions of the terrorist. Why are you blaming the NRA for the actions of libtards?

"There is only one person to blame a shooting, the shooter". In the same vein, there is only one person to blame for liberal anti gun laws: the liberal anti-gun people who did it.

It's tough being the NRA. Anti-gunners blame you all day for causing mass shootings and label you a terrorist organisation, pro-gunners blame you all day for not stopping anti-gun laws.

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In conclusion, the NRA isn't perfect but it's the best we've got. The anti-gunners would love for us to get angry and split off so that the Brady Bunch and Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence can eat you all for lunch. The libtards are united, single hive-minded and driven.

Kommiefornia was lost years ago, but the NRA helps to fight for what's left of the United States. I'm planning to leave in 2.5 years or so, and I for one would like there to be somewhere free to escape to when the time comes.
Maybe if NRA knew that all the California members were ready to pull out and stop paying dues, they might try a little harder to fight for us...
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Maybe if NRA knew that all the California members were ready to pull out and stop paying dues, they might try a little harder to fight for us...
Local Members Councils and ranking representative alike are members here. Rest assured they know what is said here on CG.

This isn't fight club. It is a mutual fight for the life of the 2A in Ca.
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I blame all the gun owners that voted for Jerry Jr. and a host of other anti gun politicians.
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**** the NRA. All they do is send me spam mail and phone calls. They don't do anything for our gun rights here in California. I'm not giving them another cent.
Bloomberg and Newsom send their thanks. People like you are exactly what they are counting on. Why do you think they are working so hard to demonize the NRA if the NRA is so ineffective?
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Old 07-05-2016, 7:28 PM
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I blame all the gun owners that voted for Jerry Jr. and a host of other anti gun politicians.
Yep. Every gun owner in this state that contributes to or votes for a Democrat is responsible for these anti gun laws.
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On a federal level, the NRA have spread influence and paid for campaigns to sway voters into electing conservatives, who they keep in line by threat of replacement.
In California that tactic holds no weight because by majority, the voters are liberal and aren't swayed by conservative campaign ads. There aren't a significant enough number of conservatives in the California legislature to b-slap, and the NRA have no leverage over liberals who have a strangle hold on Sacramento.
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Old 07-05-2016, 11:16 PM
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This bears repeating for all the misinformed NRA Bashers....


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You can't be serious?

California is the only state the NRA dedicates a full time lobbyist to. It has other employees who have accomplished all of this (and much more that oftentimes cannot be discussed publicly): http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpen...irs-Report.pdf

And they have lawyers doing all of this: http://213ajq29v6vk19b76q3534cx.wpen...-June-2016.pdf

And here is an older report on things NRA has done in CA: http://www.calgunlaws.com/wp-content...ers-Report.pdf

This is not to mention that NRA donated the maximum allowed under law to the campaign to oppose Gavin Newsom's initiative (have you donated yet?): http://www.stoptheammograb.com/

And just standby for much more in the near future that NRA and CRPA will be doing jointly.

NRA spends more money in CA than it takes in from here.
Please stop spreading misinformation.
Emphasis mine.

The Anti NRA posts show a willful ignorance of reality...

They expect miracles from their minuscule $25/$40 yearly membership fee,
when Bloombergs Billionaire Boys Club drops MILLIONS of dollars into
assorted Anti Gun causes, and they often out spend us by huge margins.

Then to compound this hugely unrealistic expectation, they often don't
realize that they also need to donate to the NRA-ILA, which does the
Actual heavy lifting in the Political and Legal arenas.

Just being a NRA member without donating to NRA-ILA is the equivalent
of buying a Rifle without purchasing any ammunition for it...

Best way to get back at these Anti Rights, Anti Self Defense, Anti Gun Zealots,
is to:

Join The NRA...
https://joinnra.nra.org/join/join.aspx

Then Donate to the NRA-ILA...
https://www.nraila.org/donate/


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Being at one time an NRA-ILA grassroots chapter president, you have to carefully choose what battles you fight with the very limited resources that you have. Years ago I was able to talk and reason with politicians in the capital, that is harder to do with the loons in the capital. I don't depend on the NRA, I depend on myself to write letters, send e-mails, and phone even when it looks like I'm talking to the wall. I don't want them to come back and say they didn't get opposition to their anti-gun bills
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Being at one time an NRA-ILA grassroots chapter president, you have to
carefully choose what battles you fight with the very limited resources that
you have. Years ago I was able to talk and reason with politicians in the
capital, that is harder to do with the loons in the capital.


I don't depend on the NRA, I depend on myself to write
letters, send e-mails, and phone even when it looks like
I'm talking to the wall
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I don't want them to come back and say they didn't get opposition
to their anti-gun bills
Emphasis mine.

If California Gun Owners would follow your example, we could fight back
a lot more effectively against the Horde of Anti-Rights, Anti-Gun Democrats
shoving Unconstitutional laws down our throats Every Single Year.


Unfortunately, most California Gun Owners can't even be bothered to stay
informed about the steady "Death by a Thousand Cuts" campaign designed
by the Democrats to Nullify the 2nd Amendment out of existence.

Many Calif Gun Owners continue to Support and Vote for the ANTI-Gun,
Democrat Party, then have the audacity and doltishness to
Complain About the NRA Not Doing Enough !!!!



Thank You for your efforts, javalos ...


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Old 07-06-2016, 4:18 PM
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I am an NRA member and I donate to the NRA-ILA. The NRA is the main lobby/voice for gun owners, and if we didn't have them, I am certain that the radical Left would have repealed or at least legislated away the 2nd Amendment already.

To all the gun owners who complain about the NRA, I pose a question - Why do you suppose that Obama complains about the NRA so vehemently? It is because they are a major thorn in his side, as their efforts, at least on a national level are effective in keeping the Left from stripping us of our natural born rights.

So please, support the NRA. Get involved, donate as you are able. Also take initiative to learn the issues, why we have the Second Amendment, who is trying to destroy it and why. Then talk to people about it. You'd be surprised at how may non-gun owners actually support the right to bear arms when they understand what is at stake. It is up to us - if we don't defend our rights, we will have them taken from us, little by little. The NRA is most certainly our ally in this fight.
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Bloomberg and Newsom send their thanks. People like you are exactly what they are counting on. Why do you think they are working so hard to demonize the NRA if the NRA is so ineffective?
when the NRA is in the news they are pissing the politicians cheerios. that is when you know that the NRA is getting at them.


there is so much FAIL in the posts I have read it's hilarious.
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I depend on myself to write letters, send e-mails, and phone even when it looks like I'm talking to the wall.
agreed 100%. if you are not involved with the political process such as this you have FAILED 100% at your civic duty to be heard.
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