Why not just build ar's with cast bullet buttons???

[corrosively_armed]

But the bullet button is just an appeasement in itself. If you make it part of the gun then it can't be called a conversion kit and it solves the detachable magazine problem.

[five.five-six]

I like this troll, he seems like a nice guy... I just hope he does not try any of his ideas, our prisons are overcrowded as it is.

[corrosively_armed]

WTF am I missing here??? Is it illegal to make the damned thing physically part of the frame or what??

[Donk310]

Hopefully the bullet button/raddock is only a temporary situation. Some day we will be able to have a magazine release like all the other states.

Don't hold your breath.

[Josh3239]

WTF am I missing here??? Is it illegal to make the damned thing physically part of the frame or what??

Your missing the part where it is an expensive, no one wants solution for a problem that doesn't exist. You seem to be missing a lot, specifically the wordage of the bill and more importantly the rest of the law.

[12voltguy]

I offered what I thought was an ingenious solution to the problem of owning what legislators have deemed an illegal weapon in California. I don't understand why my idea makes less sense than the removable bullet button. It seems to me that if you make the magazine removable only with a tool and that that ability is not modifieable then everyone should be happy including the people concerned about easily swapped out high capacity magazines in a mass shooting.

What is the enemy's goal here? Do they really think they are protecting the public or are they really intent on disarming people and throwing a great many of us into concentration camps? If they want to protect the populace are they just misguided because sooner or later some evil bastard will round us up?? Us being conservatives or rather people who have the right to freedom from tyranny through being armed.

I read a lot of apocalyptic fiction. One theme is often a totalitarian far left government has taken power in the US. I wonder how easily this would really happen. How many soldiers would follow orders and shoot other US citizens?

What are we really protecting here. Are we just paranoid nuts or are we really fighting for continued freedom?
I do know for a fact that there are traditional firearms people who have always hated the increase in use amongst shooters of 'black rifles'. Military style semi automatic weapons, they feel, makes us all look bad in the eyes of the non shooting public.

It is unfortunate that many members of Joe Public do not see people with AR-15s as hobbyists. They see them as threats.

this shoud be merged with the other thread

Question: What's so bad about registration?

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=596899

[Capybara]

We can fight but we always have to be aware that by living here we are subjecting ourselves to the rules of our 'host'. Our host is hostile to ALL guns of certain types. I don't like it but that's the situation.

Fixed that for you.

Our Host is supposed to work for us, we elect them and pay their salaries. The downfall of this state I was born and raised in, is that the voters here somehow believe that they should just rollover and LET the government be in charge.

[Chaos47]

WTF am I missing here??? Is it illegal to make the damned thing physically part of the frame or what??

You are missing the point that there are legal rifles in CA that do not need magazine locks and can legally use their magazine release.

Read my post over again

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=8950818&postcount=9

Your ingenious solution is severely flawed by your lack of basic knowledge of how CA law is actually written.

[corrosively_armed]

Then by your logic everyone can take off their bullet buttons and openly shoot their ARs without fear of arrest. You must be splitting hairs over something because people USE bullet buttons. My idea gets rid of the whole problem entirely. Why bother with bullet buttons at all then if you don't think they are required.

You are missing the point that there are legal rifles in CA that do not need magazine locks and can legally use their magazine release.

Read my post over again

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=8950818&postcount=9

Your ingenious solution is severely flawed by your lack of basic knowledge of how CA law is actually written.

[rero360]

Then by your logic everyone can take off their bullet buttons and openly shoot their ARs without fear of arrest. You must be splitting hairs over something because people USE bullet buttons. My idea gets rid of the whole problem entirely. Why bother with bullet buttons at all then if you don't think they are required.

You can, everyone can, if the AR (or other semi auto for that matter) does not have any other "evil" features. Does it need to be spoon fed to you and drawn in crayon for you?

I have an AR, ok? I currently have a collapsible stock on it and a pistol grip, thus I have to use a bullet button and 10 round mags. Having a flash hider would also be a contributing feature as well if I had one.

However, if I want to use the greater than 10 round mags that I own, I have to (and can 100% legally) replace the stock with one that is not adjustable, remove the pistol grip (putting a fin on it or replacing it with a hammerhead or similar grip) and if I had a flash hider I would replace that with a comp / brake/ thread protector. (This is called featureless by the way)

Also, and this is key, I have to remove the bullet button and use the original magazine release button in conjunction with the magazines that are greater than 10 rounds.

Does that clear it up for you? With the laws as they currently are, its a one or the other, you can do either or, both are completely legal.

The reason so many people use bullet buttons is because they either don't know that featureless is completely legal, or they don't own any greater than 10 round magazines, or they don't mind sticking with 10 rounders because they prefer the looks and or ergonomics of the normal stocks and grips.