Why not just build ar's with cast bullet buttons???

[corrosively_armed]

Build it into the gun so that you have to insert a tool to remove the magazine. Don't make it optional. Create a new design with the bullet button mechansim cast into the frame. Problem solved. Come up with an AK design that does the same thing. Would look better too.

[rero360]

And do tell, why would you want this?

[mossy]

i don't plan on living here forever. when i move i don't want to have to replace all my lowers.

[ICONIC]

Hopefully the bullet button/raddock is only a temporary situation. Some day we will be able to have a magazine release like all the other states.

[Endofcomment]

Troll.. Lol. Its not a game of finding loopholes to get what we want we want the state to start being more conscious of the constitution and the 2A as all they are doing is whittling the 2A down to mean nothing.

I have a new criteria for all who want to create firearms legislation, all politicians should be forced to take all basic firearms training programs and use different types of firearms especially the type that would be affected by their bill before the house would even touch the bill.. I know this would never happen and is more of a dream but I think if would open some eyes.

[corrosively_armed]

The reason we still can have SKSs in california is because of the fixed magazine. Do the same thing with ARs but give them a mag release requiring a tool. No bullet button as we know it now. Just redesign the thing to require a tool. This seems to me at least an elegant solution.

[corrosively_armed]

You're already walking a fine line with olls. Following your logic EOC, we shouldn't have them because we should just fight to legalize the originals like the colts and bushmasters etc. My way creates a new design that is entirely legal unless of course they make a law saying a gun requiring a tool to remove the magazine is still a detachable magazine weapon.

[mossy]

The reason we still can have SKSs in california is because of the fixed magazine. Do the same thing with ARs but give them a mag release requiring a tool. No bullet button as we know it now. Just redesign the thing to require a tool. This seems to me at least an elegant solution.

if a rifle has a bullet button it IS by law a fixed magazine. to the best of my Knowledge certain SKS's can have detachable mags in CA because they are SKS is not stamped on them and they are a featureless rifle.

[Chaos47]

The reason we still can have SKSs in california is because of the fixed magazine. Do the same thing with ARs but give them a mag release requiring a tool. No bullet button as we know it now. Just redesign the thing to require a tool. This seems to me at least an elegant solution.

You need to read the law and actually learn how things work here in California.

Magazine locked rifles are not the only legal configuration here. There are featureless rifles that can legally have a magazine release.

12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding PC section 12276, assault weapon shall also
mean the following: Rifles
[Featureless Builds]
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a
detachable magazine[Magazine locked builds]
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the
capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

“Detachable magazine” means any ammunition feeding
device that can be removed readily from the firearm with neither
disassembly of the firearm action nor use of a tool being required.

A bullet or ammunition cartridge is considered a tool

Bullet buttons can use tools including a bullet. I don't know why you think they should be redesigned when they fit the law. Also its a little silly to say that it should be cast in but offer no real solution as to how they would work differently.


BTW you sound like an anti

[bob7122]

You're already walking a fine line with olls. Following your logic EOC, we shouldn't have them because we should just fight to legalize the originals like the colts and bushmasters etc. My way creates a new design that is entirely legal unless of course they make a law saying a gun requiring a tool to remove the magazine is still a detachable magazine weapon.

what fine line are you talking about?

there is only legal and illegal, if it does not follow a specific list of things then it is illegal. there is no, "oh you are pushing the envelope, you are sort of muddling the legal jargon," no we follow what the law says is allowed in a safe manner, but one that can also be worthwhile. for one might not remain in CA forever, they may leave to say nevada. ^^^top is a flowchart and oll assembly guide with an interactive guide as well.
The bullet button was created to be a cheap, economical, and most importantly SAFE solution to 2a infringement.

why redesign a great firearm, waste $ in R&D to find the right design that would work with ARs and then sell something that is specifically for CA, when you can just buy a bullet button that follows the law, safe, reliable, economical, and a big F U to CA?

not everyone believes that the laws here in CA will remain an infringement on our 2a rights. and there are featureless builds that also are clearly legal because it follows a specific set of restrictions to the t.
just my 2cents.

[Jason_2111]

Plus, a lot of folks here in CA train in other states where the silly neutered AR isn't an issue. When you run out to Front Sight for a weekend, it only takes a minute to change out a bullet button for a normal mag release, but if it was built in, that would pretty much just be more hassle than it's worth.

[dantodd]

Actually an interesting idea IMO. Naturally, we'd much prefer to kil SB249 but it is possible that a "cast in" BB collar might be useful for showing the futility of trying to ban evil black rifles.

The downside, of course, is that it will rquire custom tooling that is only useful in CA and would thus be more expensive etc.

[CSACANNONEER]

If you want to become an 07FFL and start machining your own lowers, go for it. Who knows, you might find a market for your new lowers. However, we've already gone way past that. Do you remember FAB10s? How about Evan's sealed mag well lowers? Then, there were the fixed mag lowers from Vulcan and all the fixed mag OLLs created by the end user. We've slowly and legally evolved our OLLs to the point that we're at now. Why would someone want to spend extra money to get a special lower that can't be used for a featureless or rimfire rifle? I don't see a market for them. But, I've been wrong before. So, why don't you either make your own or commission a small batch and see if you're on to something?

[mud99]

You cant cast that part in, because it would need a nut between the inner and outer castings.

The theoretical solution I have come up with uses a remote controlled actuator to drop the magazine.

If a bullet is a tool, a remote control is a tool as well, right?

Just need to convince someone to build it and pay the legal bills LOL.

[stix213]

What problem is this solving exactly?