The STOP SB 249 (Yee) Campaign: Moves fwd to Appropriations Cmte - Back to Work!!

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

What would happen if you attach a large capacity magazine to a bullet buttoned firearm?

It becomes the same firearm it was already, a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and does not have a fixed magazine either. At least not under the CGF analysis of SB249. How would it become an assault weapon if you attach a large cap mag?

[phdo]

So we either turn our ARs featureless or turn them in? Grandfathering won't be possible?

[dantodd]

It becomes the same firearm it was already, a semiautomatic centerfire rifle that does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and does not have a fixed magazine either. At least not under the CGF analysis of SB249. How would it become an assault weapon if you attach a large cap mag?

Currently 58 out of 58 of the DAs In the state will prosecute for it.

[Brandon04GT]

Yep. And if you own a featureless AR build you are breaking the law because it has a standard mag release and to break the law you don't even need to own a bullet buttoned gun.

So just to be clear, you're saying you don't even need to own a BB'd AR to break the law and just by owning "something" that has a standard mag release makes you a criminal? Are you saying just because you own the one single "standard mag release" part?

So if I don't even own any AR right now and I go to a store and buy a LPK in a plastic bag, the fact that it contains a regular mag release will make me a criminal?

If yes then essentially this bill is trying to eliminate all AR's and all parts associated with it?

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

Currently 58 out of 58 of the DAs In the state will prosecute for it.

Give me a break lol. Prosecute for what? There would be no statutory or regulatory basis whatsoever to do that, just like there is no statutory or regulatory basis to prosecute for BB with 10 or less round mags.

[dantodd]

So just to be clear, you're saying you don't even need to own a BB'd AR to break the law and just by owning "something" that has a standard mag release makes you a criminal? Are you saying just because you own the one single "standard mag release" part?

So if I don't even own any AR right now and I go to a store and buy a LPK in a plastic bag, the fact that it contains a regular mag release will make me a criminal?

If yes then essentially this bill is trying to eliminate all AR's and all parts associated with it?

It would appear that way. However, the "convention kit" may have to consist of more than one part, if the LPK includes both a mag release and a pistol grip it surely would qualify and if the mag release consists of multiple parts it would.

[Brandon04GT]

This is beyond insane

[dantodd]

Give me a break lol. Prosecute for what? There would be no statutory or regulatory basis whatsoever to do that, just like there is no statutory or regulatory basis to prosecute for BB with 10 or less round mags.

You are not an idiot and I would appreciate it if you would stop treating me as if I were.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

You are not an idiot and I would appreciate it if you would stop treating me as if I were.

How can you be prosecuted for possession of AW if your off-list BB rifle does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and does not have a fixed magazine either? How am I treating you as if you were an idiot by asking that?

[dantodd]

How can you be prosecuted for possession of AW if your off-list BB rifle does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and does not have a fixed magazine either? How am I treating you as if you were an idiot by asking that?

Sorry, I am not goaded that easily. What's your real name again?

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I'm "goading" you by asking what is the basis for your claim that using a large cap magazine with a BB rifle makes it an assault weapon?

[Dantedamean]

wow, my mind has been blown at how screwed up this bill is >.<

Im guessing they'll eventually change the wording a bit to make the bullet button illegal too. He said he wants to get rid of them.

I'm "goading" you by asking what is the basis for your claim that using a large cap magazine with a BB rifle makes it an assault weapon?

its not so much using them on a BB rifle as using them on a rifle that has "evil features" and is not a RAW. If it has feature that require a BB it turns it into a assault weapon when you attach a high cap mag.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

its not so much using them on a BB rifle as using them on a rifle that has "evil features" and is not a RAW. If it has feature that require a BB it turns it into a assault weapon when you attach a high cap mag.

With a high cap mag it does not have a fixed mag and does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. Without a high cap mag it does not have a fixed mag and does not have the capacity to accept a detachable magazine. There is no difference. So how does attaching a high cap turn it into an AW?

[phdo]

Why do I feel like this bill is serving its purpose by dividing us? Shouldn't we stand together to fight this nuisance of a bill? Why are we arguing among ourselves? Till now, I still don't fully understand what the hell is going on. I want to support the cause, but first, I need to know what it is.

[rogervzv]

Finally, lol. Will CGF defend bullet button + large cap mag arrests?

Anyone who gets arrested in California for using large cap (>10 rounds) magazines with a bullet button deserves what they get and is doing all of us a disservice. The law is pretty settled that you cannot have large cap. mags in California, period. Someone who goes out and provokes a lawsuit over some obscure legal argument that a bullet-button+large cap mag configuration is legal is simply inviting totalitarians like Yee to "close the loophole" and introduce further legislation to erode our rights. Just like the fools who just had to open carry their black rifles in shopping malls etc. provoked further legislation against our open carry rights. I hope Calguns is not encouraging this sort of thing.

Fact is that the average citizen is completely oblivious to all of these legal arguments. But the average citizen knows that he does not want "activists" running around with black rifles at shopping malls upsetting the little mommies and can be convinced that high cap mags should be outlawed. We are much better off not provoking the totalitarians and instead staying off their radar screen.

The above does not mean that we should not defend our 2d Amendment rights in Court. We should, and thank goodness and Calguns, we do. But we should not provoke anti-gun legislation. Legislation passes quickly. Court battles to overturn legislation takes many years.