The STOP SB 249 (Yee) Campaign: Moves fwd to Appropriations Cmte - Back to Work!!

[hoffmang]

That's what is being assumed. So under what Penal Code section would a semiautomatic centerfire rifle with a large cap mag and a bullet button be an AW?

You know what the correct answer is and no I'm not going to answer it directly for a very large set of differing strategic reasons.

-Gene

[hoffmang]

Yes, but that's not the point. A standard magazine release button is NOT able to be affixed to a FIXED MAGAZINE firearm. "Once fixed" or "used to be fixed" isn't what the plain - and very clear - language of SB249 says.

You know how it's always been said that we should attach the BB before we put the PG on our OLL builds? Same thing applies here. Once you've removed the BB (or other device) you no longer have a fixed magazine weapon, and if you affix your standard magazine release button to it and create an AW you're violating some other laws, but you're not running afoul of SB249.

But doesn't the firearm become non-fixed the moment the Mag Magnet is placed on it therefor making this law fully pointless?

Please show my how the definition of affixed requires addition and not subtraction and then addition of parts that make up a conversion kit.

Said another way, the Mag Magnet plus any rifle can never be a fixed magazine rifle.

-Gene

[mud99]

I have cross posted this to some of the Motorcycle/ATV/Snowmobile forums I frequent, I urge others to do the same.

[FABIO GETS GOOSED!!!]

You know what the correct answer is and no I'm not going to answer it directly for a very large set of differing strategic reasons

Finally, lol. Will CGF defend bullet button + large cap mag arrests?

[ltmcarlson]

Yea signed, but truly what are the chances of defeating this thing. Hate to be the bearer of bad news but we are far from the majority in this **** hole we call CA. I mean look at the last big election results flat out communist won where they lost everywhere else in the nation with a few exceptions. I'm not saying don't fight but we need to bring in the big guns with BIG MONEY to get this defeated I.e the NRA or equivalent pro gun group. I'm on a rant but what is it going to take to get even non gun owners involved in defeating this and others bills that strip away our Constitutional rights. I feel like I am living in 1939 Austria right now with my rights being slowly stripped away, we (this country) is on a slippery path not sure where we're going to end up.

[Peter.Steele]

But doesn't the firearm become non-fixed the moment the Mag Magnet is placed on it therefor making this law fully pointless?

So, what you're saying then ... is that the firearm had a fixed magazine, and then you (hypothetically) "affixed" a Mag Magnet to it, causing the magazine to no longer be fixed?

I'd say that, rather than making this law fully pointless, that this capability is in fact the full point of the law. The action itself may be a felony, but the ability to commit the action is a misdemeanor.

Please show my how the definition of affixed requires addition and not subtraction and then addition of parts that make up a conversion kit.

Said another way, the Mag Magnet plus any rifle can never be a fixed magazine rifle.

-Gene

The rifle may have had a fixed magazine ... right up until the instant in which it made contact with the mag magnet. Once the magnetic influence of the mag magnet acts upon the steel in the magazine catch in such a way as to keep them attached independent of any human interaction ... then the magazine is no longer fixed.

[hoffmang]

So, what you're saying then ... is that the firearm had

You mean like adding a large capacity magazine making possession of large capacity magazines illegal?

The rifle may have had a fixed magazine ... right up until the instant in which it made contact with the mag magnet. Once the magnetic influence of the mag magnet acts upon the steel in the magazine catch in such a way as to keep them attached independent of any human interaction ... then the magazine is no longer fixed.

And thus the mag magnent can not ever be "affixed to a firearm with a fixed magazine" since it's a detachable magazine in that instant. Of course that's nonsense so your working definition of affixed has a problem. If you're right, this law does nothing (except have crap made up by California Courts.) If you're wrong, this law sweeps more broadly than your working definition.

-Gene

[Brandon04GT]

Can anyone give me a quick one-liner as to what this bill will do if passes? Does would it basically ban the bullet-button and existing guns with one cannot be grandfathered? We will have to resort to a fixed device and top load the gun?

[phdo]

Can anyone give me a quick one-liner as to what this bill will do if passes? Does would it basically ban the bullet-button and existing guns with one cannot be grandfathered? We will have to resort to a fixed device and top load the gun?

Please, I want to know too. I'm so confused..

[dantodd]

Can anyone give me a quick one-liner as to what this bill will do if passes? Does would it basically ban the bullet-button and existing guns with one cannot be grandfathered? We will have to resort to a fixed device and top load the gun?

For one thing it outlaws things that can convert a bullet buttoned gun into an assault weapon.

What would happen if you attach a large capacity magazine to a bullet buttoned firearm? It becomes an assault weapon per CA law. Therefore large capacity magazines that fit weapons with a mag well outside of the pistol grip will be illegal. Possession of any Large capacity AR mags, or rebuild kits will instantly make you a criminal.

What happens if you put a standard mag release on a bullet buttoned firearm? If that weapon has any other "evil features" it suddenly becomes an assault weapon. This means that possessing a standard magazine release is criminal. There is no exception for having a legal outlet for this part and there is not even a requirement for possessing a firearm it will fit.

[phdo]

For one thing it outlaws things that can convert a bullet buttoned gun into an assault weapon.

What would happen if you attach a large capacity magazine to a bullet buttoned firearm? It becomes an assault weapon per CA law. Therefore large capacity magazines that fit weapons with a mag well outside of the pistol grip will be illegal. Possession of any Large capacity AR mags, or rebuild kits will instantly make you a criminal.

What happens if you put a standard mag release on a bullet buttoned firearm? If that weapon has any other "evil features" it suddenly becomes an assault weapon. This means that possessing a standard magazine release is criminal. There is no exception for having a legal outlet for this part and there is not even a requirement for possessing a firearm it will fit.

What the..?!

[phdo]

So what would happen if it passes? Are we to give them up?

[Brandon04GT]

Hmm ok now i'm a bit confused. So what you're basically saying is that possessing a bullet-button'd AR would still be legal but possessing anything that can turn it into an AW will make you a criminal?

So if I own a bullet-button'd AR and one day I decide to build another AR and buy a LPK which contains a standard mag release, I therefore own something which can convert my bullet button'd AR into an AW and thus I therefore am committing a felony???

[dantodd]

Hmm ok now i'm a bit confused. So what you're basically saying is that possessing a bullet-button'd AR would still be legal but possessing anything that can turn it into an AW will make you a criminal?

So if I own a bullet-button'd AR and one day I decide to build another AR and buy a LPK which contains a standard mag release, I therefore own something which can convert my bullet button'd AR into an AW and thus I therefore am committing a felony???

Yep. And if you own a featureless AR build you are breaking the law because it has a standard mag release and to break the law you don't even need to own a bullet buttoned gun.

[dantodd]

So what would happen if it passes? Are we to give them up?

That is Yee's plan.