handgun safety certificate

[QQQ]

HSC is stupid IMHO. It's just an extra tax on buying a gun.

I'm all for people learning how to be safe with guns, but I'm not entirely sure that a test like the HSC does anything to make anyone safer. We need to teach gun safety in schools and get kids to understand how to handle a firearm early in life.

We need a mantra.. "Guns 4 Kids!"

I'm still not sure whether you're an eccentric or a troll-it's always a bit hard to tell from what you write.
Most of that post was good, common sense. But that last line was interesting.

OK, I am a newb here too, but what is the big deal?
Just take the HSC test and be done with it....or am I missing something?

It costs money and is sometimes unavailable. Unless you think $25 is no big deal, in which case you can send me a check!

[Markinsac]

SB 1422 is in committee and seeks to make Honorably Discharged an exemption from the HGSC. Like it was when we had to have the BFSC that preceded it.

Actually, the current version would DISCOUNT the cost from $25 to $15 for honorably discharged.

It appears that they don't consider military service to mean anything.

[laabstract]

OP what does your ID card say? If it says active or reserve or retired then you are good to go. But if you have the Brown Spouse ID that some people get issued in the IRR then its a no go.

[littlejake]

Actually, the current version would DISCOUNT the cost from $25 to $15 for honorably discharged.

It appears that they don't consider military service to mean anything.

It must have gotten amended from it's original language. Giving me a $10 break for 4 years of service is offensive to me. Not that I ever asked for special treatment.

[EM2]

The HSC should simply not be required.

^^^ This ^^^

A buncha BS is all this is about.
Gotta get permission & pay a toll to exercise a right.

[DrDavid]

I'm still not sure whether you're an eccentric or a troll-it's always a bit hard to tell from what you write.
Most of that post was good, common sense. But that last line was interesting.
It costs money and is sometimes unavailable. Unless you think $25 is no big deal, in which case you can send me a check!

Actually, I think kids SHOULD learn how to shoot/be safe.

I teach my kids how to swim to be safe around water. I teach them how to use kitchen knives to be safe around blades. We teach them how to drive a car safely. Why shouldn't we teach them how to be safe around guns?

Get the kids on board with guns, and suddenly there won't be any issue with guns. Kids can, and do, influence their parents.

But, the $25 fee for the HSC (and that it's sometimes hard to find, etc) has a chilling effect on the ability to buy a gun... That HSC can be a substantial percentage of the cost of the first gun...

On a cheap-o $150 gun, the HSC would represent almost a 17% "tax". Plus, in CA you're paying at least 7.75% sales tax AND DROS fee. Combined it makes that $150 gun into a $216 gun. That's about 30% tax on the cheapest guns. That's kinda nuts.

[Write Winger]

Thread drift. Hope this helped Mike lol

[Ron-Solo]

Someone, somewhere got X95 stuck in there. No training or experience required - strange isn't it.

You do realize that the X95 exemption is rarely used, and when it is, it is because the officer died in the line of duty.

When one of my deputies died of cancer, which was later determined to be job related, we (his fellow deputies) collected the money to buy the gun Tom the Deaprtment, then presented it to his son. He still had to have the HSC because the Department wasn't giving it to him as a gift.

It is a feel good exemption that is rarely, if ever, used.

The entire HSC system is flawed and needs to go away.

[REDPATCHUSMC]

Still Confused....

these are the exemptions to the HSC,

What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?
X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member

A couple of questions:
1) So is X25 - exemption only for those 20+ year retired folk? or anyone with an honorable discharge?
2) Who checks? Do I show my local dealer my Honorable Discharge Papers?

and most importantly....

If you take a Hunter Safety Course, do you still need to take a HSC?

[EM2]

these are the exemptions to the HSC,

What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?
X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member

A couple of questions:
1) So is X25 - exemption only for those 20+ year retired folk? or anyone with an honorable discharge?
2) Who checks? Do I show my local dealer my Honorable Discharge Papers?

and most importantly....

If you take a Hunter Safety Course, do you still need to take a HSC?

1) RETIRED
I see no ambiguity in this word.
veteran not retired does not count.

2) The dealer from whom you are buying the firearm will check your exemption status. If he is not satisfied then there will be no exemption.

Hunter Safety Course is not one of the listed exemptions therefore it does not count.

[bomb_on_bus]

Well if all else fails you could just take the test.

If you know how to sharpen a pencil you can pass the test LOL. But yeah it is worth trying not to pay the 25 or so dollars it costs to take the test.

You don't have to study for it just use common sense.

[winnre]

Well if all else fails you could just take the test.

If you know how to sharpen a pencil you can pass the test LOL. But yeah it is worth trying not to pay the 25 or so dollars it costs to take the test.

You don't have to study for it just use common sense.

I got the study guide for 50 cents for my wife. I asked her the questions and she was surprised how dumb they were. The only ones she missed referenced something you had to read, like what is safe handling rule #3, etc. She got all the rest right that involved logic. She did not even read the manual and only moved to the USA 9 months ago!

[Ron-Solo]

I vote for another exemption:

X1776 - American Citizen

[GOEX FFF]

I got the study guide for 50 cents for my wife. I asked her the questions and she was surprised how dumb they were. The only ones she missed referenced something you had to read, like what is safe handling rule #3, etc. She got all the rest right that involved logic. She did not even read the manual and only moved to the USA 9 months ago!

I did the same thing with my Wife. She wanted to take the test/test in the back of the booklet without reading the book. She thinks Firearm are perfectly fine and understands the right and importance. She's done some shooting of her own, but she's not a die-hard or anything. (she has a pink pistol case and wears 5" heels to range... ) She got everything else right and missed only one. The question about if you can have a firearm with you at your campsite. No need to ever over-think the HSC.