handgun safety certificate

[usmc.thurston]

New to calguns still trying to figure it out.
My background: I got ot of the Marine corps in 2009 I'm still in my inactive reserve status all I have is my dd214 and my ca card.
I'm buying my first handgun.
My question:
Do I still have to pay to take this handgun safety test? Our is it voided?
Thanks
stay free.

[ke6guj]

these are the exemptions to the HSC,

What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?
X01 = Special Weapons Permit Holder
X02 = Operation of Law Representative
X03 = Handgun being returned to the owner
X13 = FFL collector with COE (curio and relic handguns only)
X21 = Military - Active Duty
X22 = Military - Reserve
X25 = Military - Honorably Retired
X31 = Peace Officer - California - Active
X32 = Peace Officer - Federal - Active
X33 = Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
X34 = Peace Officer - California - Reserve
X35 = Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
X41 = Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
X81 = P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
X95 = Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member

[dantodd]

Assuming you were honorably discharged it seems you would qualify und exemption X25 and as a reservist, even inactive, you will probably qualify under X22.

[usmc.thurston]

I only did 4 years so I don't make retirement. but x22 might work thanks guys
Mike

[Drivedabizness]

Ya know - Marksmanship Coaches School, Secondary MOS as PMI, 4 years as an Instructor at the Small Arms Firing Instructor at the National Championships - VASTLY more experience (and expertise) than virtually any level of LEO - might deserve it too.

Waiting for the flaming replies.

[Ron-Solo]

Ya know - Marksmanship Coaches School, Secondary MOS as PMI, 4 years as an Instructor at the Small Arms Firing Instructor at the National Championships - VASTLY more experience (and expertise) than virtually any level of LEO - might deserve it too.

Waiting for the flaming replies.

Why stir the pot, none of us had anything to do with this stupid law.

Honorably discharged SHOULD be good enough, but it says RETIRED, which is definitely different.

[dantodd]

Ya know - Marksmanship Coaches School, Secondary MOS as PMI, 4 years as an Instructor at the Small Arms Firing Instructor at the National Championships - VASTLY more experience (and expertise) than virtually any level of LEO - might deserve it too.

Waiting for the flaming replies.

The HSC should simply not be required. There are a million exemptions that should be in the law if we are to be straddled with the HSC at all. What about a hunting license?

[littlejake]

SB 1422 is in committee and seeks to make Honorably Discharged an exemption from the HGSC. Like it was when we had to have the BFSC that preceded it.

[Quiet]

The HSC should simply not be required. There are a million exemptions that should be in the law if we are to be straddled with the HSC at all. What about a hunting license?

Was removed as an exemption, when they changed from the BFSC to the HSC.

[wheels]

Why stir the pot, none of us had anything to do with this stupid law.

Honorably discharged SHOULD be good enough, but it says RETIRED, which is definitely different.

Someone, somewhere got X95 stuck in there. No training or experience required - strange isn't it.

[Mesa Tactical]

Someone, somewhere got X95 stuck in there. No training or experience required - strange isn't it.

"Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made."

- John Godfrey Saxe

[DrDavid]

HSC is stupid IMHO. It's just an extra tax on buying a gun.

I'm all for people learning how to be safe with guns, but I'm not entirely sure that a test like the HSC does anything to make anyone safer. We need to teach gun safety in schools and get kids to understand how to handle a firearm early in life.

We need a mantra.. "Guns 4 Kids!"

[winnre]

I was informed that Active Reserve can get the exemption but not IRR.

[Sticka]

OK, I am a newb here too, but what is the big deal?
Just take the HSC test and be done with it....or am I missing something?

[creekside]

these are the exemptions to the HSC,

What are the Handgun Safety Certificate (HSC) requirement exemption codes?

X91 = Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers

Pet peeve. X91 includes the BSIS Exposed Firearms Permit (armed guard license) and dealers who don't recognize the X91 exemption don't get my business.

I'd love to hear from anyone who has had a DOJ problem with having this valid exemption to the HSC recognized.

HSC Manual (PDF): Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers

Exemption Code: X91; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(11)

The following persons who have completed a P.O.S.T approved regular course in firearms training:
1. Patrol special police officers appointed by the police commission of any city or county
2. Animal control officers or zookeepers
Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers (Continued)
3. Harbor police officers
and . . .
The following persons who have a certificate issued by the Department of Consumer Affairs pursuant to Section 12033 PC:
4. Guards of messengers of common carriers, banks and other financial institutions.
5. Guards of contact carriers operating armored vehicles
6. Private investigators and private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5 of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code
7. Alarm company operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.6 of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code
8. Uniformed security guards or night watch persons

PC 31700. (a) The following persons, properly identified, are exempted from the handgun safety certificate requirement in subdivision (a)
of Section 31615:

(SNIP)

(11) Any person who is authorized to carry loaded firearms
pursuant to Section 26025 or 26030.

PC 26030. (a) Section 25850 does not apply to any of the following who have been issued a certificate pursuant to subdivision (d):
(1) Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other
financial institutions, while actually employed in and about the
shipment, transportation, or delivery of any money, treasure,
bullion, bonds, or other thing of value within this state.
(2) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles
pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission
authority, if they were hired prior to January 1, 1977.
(3) Guards of contract carriers operating armored vehicles
pursuant to California Highway Patrol and Public Utilities Commission
authority, if they were hired on or after January 1, 1977, and they
have completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms that
meets the standards prescribed by the Department of Consumer Affairs.
(4) Private investigators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.3
(commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the Business and
Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their
employment.
(5) Uniformed employees of private investigators licensed pursuant
to Chapter 11.3 (commencing with Section 7512) of Division 3 of the
Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course and
scope of their employment.
(6) Private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5
(commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3 of the Business and
Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their
employment.
(7) Uniformed employees of private patrol operators licensed
pursuant to Chapter 11.5 (commencing with Section 7580) of Division 3
of the Business and Professions Code, while acting within the course
and scope of their employment.
(8) Alarm company operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.6
(commencing with Section 7590) of Division 3 of the Business and
Professions Code, while acting within the course and scope of their
employment.
(9) Uniformed security guards or night watch persons employed by
any public agency, while acting within the scope and course of their
employment.
(10) Uniformed security guards, regularly employed and compensated
in that capacity by persons engaged in any lawful business, and
uniformed alarm agents employed by an alarm company operator, while
actually engaged in protecting and preserving the property of their
employers, or on duty or en route to or from their residences or
their places of employment, and security guards and alarm agents en
route to or from their residences or employer-required range
training.

[snip]

(d) The Department of Consumer Affairs may issue a certificate to
any person referred to in this section, upon notification by the
school where the course was completed, that the person has
successfully completed a course in the carrying and use of firearms
and a course of training in the exercise of the powers of arrest,
which meet the standards prescribed by the department pursuant to
Section 7583.5 of the Business and Professions Code.

See also:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/archive/index.php/t-23212.html

http://www.calccw.com/Forums/general-ccw-discussion/1596-excemptions-armed-security-officer-2.html

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/pd...orms/hscsg.pdf (which no longer lists the BSIS Exposed Firearms Permit in the manual . . .)