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Ducati748r
03-16-2005, 7:07 PM
Is the HSC test multiple choice? I use to be able to flash my DD214 proving I'm ex-military and that was good enough to purchase a handgun, but not anymore so I have to get the HSC. How many questions total are there? And are most of the questions common sense?

Ducati748r
03-16-2005, 7:07 PM
Is the HSC test multiple choice? I use to be able to flash my DD214 proving I'm ex-military and that was good enough to purchase a handgun, but not anymore so I have to get the HSC. How many questions total are there? And are most of the questions common sense?

Turbinator
03-16-2005, 7:16 PM
Yes - multiple choice. If you know anything about firearms, it's literally just a test to see if you are alive.

Turby

maxicon
03-16-2005, 7:17 PM
Most of it's common sense, with a few quirky Cali law questions thrown in.

The study guide is here:
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/index.html

and you should be able to pass, no problem, after a quick read.

Silverback
03-16-2005, 7:42 PM
Read the study guide a couple of times and you'll ace the test. Be sure to read the questions thoroughly. It's just more socialist stupidity.

Josh
03-16-2005, 8:04 PM
are you sure you need it?

I dont know about ex military though I think its the same, but my buddy flashes his military ID and hes good to go. And my friend shows his LE ID same thing.

rkt88edmo
03-16-2005, 8:26 PM
The HSC is 10 T/F and 20 MC questions.

CA DOJ HSC Docs (http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/hsc.htm)

HSC Exemptions

If a handgun purchaser/recipient is exempt from the HSC requirement, he/she must show proof
of his/her exempt status for dealer verification before submission of the DROS. Appendix II on
page 33 provides an easy reference table of the HSC exemption categories and corresponding
exemption codes. The HSC exemption categories, corresponding exemption codes, Penal Code
authorization, and narrative summary of each exemption category follows:

Special Weapons Permit Holder
Exemption Code: X01; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(12)
A person who holds any of the following permits or license issued by DOJ: short barreled
shotgun/short barreled rifle permit; machine gun permit; machine gun license; or
destructive device permit.

Operation of Law Representative
Exemption Code X02; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(b)
The following persons who take title or possession of a handgun by operation of law in a
representative capacity, until or unless they transfer title ownership of the handgun to
themselves in a personal capacity:
1. The executor or administrator of an estate
2. A secured creditor or an agent or employee thereof when the firearms are possessed
as collateral for, or as a result of, or an agent or employee thereof when the firearms
are possessed as collateral for, or as a result of, a default under a security agreement
under the Commercial Code
3. A levying officer, as defined in Section 481.140, 511.060, or 680.260 of the Code of
Civil Procedure
4. A receiver performing his or her functions as a receiver
5. A trustee in bankruptcy performing his or her duties
6. An assignee for the benefit of creditors performing his or her functions as an assignee

Handgun Being Returned to the Owner
Exemption Code: X03; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(7)
A person to whom a handgun is being returned, where the person receiving the handgun is
the owner of the handgun such as the return of a pawned or consigned handgun.

FFL Collector with COE when Purchasing C & R Handguns
Exemption Code: X13; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(6)
Any federally licensed collector who is acquiring or being loaned a handgun that is a curio
or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, who
has a current Certificate of Eligibility (COE) issued by DOJ pursuant to P.C. section
12071.

Military - Active Duty
Exemption Code: X21; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(10)
An active member of the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard, or the Air
National Guard.

Military - Reserve
Exemption Code: X22; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(1)
The active reserve components of the United States Armed Forces.

Military - Honorably Retired
Exemption Code: X25; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(10)
Any person honorably retired from the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard,
the Air National Guard, or the active reserve components of the United States.

Peace Officer - California - Active
Exemption Code: X31; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(1)
Any California peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm while on duty.
Peace Officer - Federal - Active
Exemption Code: X32; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(2)
Any federal peace officer who is authorized to carry a firearm while on duty.
Peace Officer - California - Honorably Retired
Exemption Code: X33; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(1)
Any honorably retired California peace officer which includes any:
1. Sheriff
2. Undersheriff or deputy sheriff
3. Chief of police or police officer of a city or district
4. Marshal or deputy marshal of a municipal court
5. Constable or deputy constable of a judicial district
6. Port warden or special officer of the Harbor Department of the City of Los Angeles
7. Inspector or investigator of a district attorney’s office
8. California Highway Patrol peace officer
9. California State University Police peace officer
10. Law Enforcement Liaison Unit member of the Department of Corrections
11. Department of Fish and Game employees designated by the director as peace
officers
12. Department of Parks and Recreation employees designated by the director as peace
officers
13. Director of Forestry and Fire Protection and employees designated by the director as
peace officers
14. Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control employees designated by the director as
peace officers
15. Department of Corrections or Department of the Youth Authority parole officer or
correctional officers

Peace Officer - California - Reserve
Exemption Code: X34; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(3)
Any person deputized or appointed as a Level I, Level II, or Level III reserve peace officer
as defined in Penal Code section 832.6.

Peace Officer - Federal - Honorably Retired
Exemption Code: X35; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(2)
Any honorably retired federal officer or law enforcement agent.

Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) Permit Holder
Exemption Code: X41; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(9)
Any individual who has a valid concealed weapons permit issued pursuant to Penal Code
section 12050.

P.O.S.T. 832 PC (Firearms) Training
Exemption Code: X81; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(4)
Any person who has successfully completed the Commission on Peace Officer Standards
and Training (P.O.S.T.) “Arrest and Firearms” training, or greater POST training which
includes “Arrest and Firearms.”

Particular and Limited Authority Peace Officers
Exemption Code: X91; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(11)
The following persons who have completed a P.O.S.T approved regular course in firearms
training:
1. Patrol special police officers appointed by the police commission of any city or
county
2. Animal control officers or zookeepers
3. Harbor police officers
and . . .
The following persons who have a certificate issued by the Department of Consumer
Affairs pursuant to Section 12033 PC:
4. Guards of messengers of common carriers, banks and other financial institutions.
5. Guards of contact carriers operating armored vehicles
6. Private investigators and private patrol operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.5
of Division 3 of the Business and Professions Code
7. Alarm company operators licensed pursuant to Chapter 11.6 of Division 3 of the
Business and Professions Code
8. Uniformed security guards or night watch persons

Law Enforcement Service Gun to Family Member
Exemption Code: X95; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(8)
A family member of a peace officer or deputy sheriff from a local agency who receives an
inoperable firearm pursuant to Section 50081 of the Government Code.
Please note that firearms dealers are no longer exempt when acquiring a handgun for their
personal ownership regardless of whether the handgun is acquired from another dealer or from
the dealer’s own inventory. Handguns acquired strictly as inventory are exempt, however there
is no need for an exemption code for DROS purposes because a DROS is not completed in this
circumstance.

Ducati748r
03-16-2005, 8:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Military - Honorably Retired
Exemption Code: X25; Authorizing PC Section: 12807(a)(10)
Any person honorably retired from the United States Armed Forces, the National Guard,
the Air National Guard, or the active reserve components of the United States. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hmmm..I wonder if that means 20 years of military service...or just a honorable dischard regardless of how many years served? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I did put in four years in the military. http://www.calguns.net/marines.gif

toolman9000
03-16-2005, 11:15 PM
You got to have 20 years in... be a real retired career military man.

your 4 years gives you a dd214 which as read above dosen't work anymore, anybody that can walk with out drooling too much can pass an HSC test with one eye with a fresh wound - seriously if you have a third grade education and know how to read half of "Curious George" you can pass the HSC, heck you don't even need to be house broken you are allowed to poop your pants while you take the test!

he he he....

easy stuff.

Cazach
03-17-2005, 3:03 PM
I beleive the test is 30 questions. As others have posted.. if you fail the test....you probably should not own a gun, drive a car or be walking upright.

I took it about a week ago and the guy sat me down in a cozy corner and said that he would be back in 10 minutes. I tracked him down about 90 seconds later and he looked stunned. He asked if I was sure about my answers on the test. After giving me a perfect score he gave me an odd look.

The only somewhat obscure references are 2 or 3 pertaining to the wacky Kali laws. Spend 2 seconds with the study guide then give 'em your money and take the test.

imported_1911_sfca
03-17-2005, 3:45 PM
Just finished my PC 832 firearms training at local community college. Guess I don't need to ever renew the HSC -- doesn't say anything about a time limit.

ScorpioVI
03-18-2005, 2:50 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Ducati748r:



Hmmm..I wonder if that means 20 years of military service...or just a honorable dischard regardless of how many years served? http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif I did put in four years in the military. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>



Yea, it does mean 20 years. Surprised the **** out of me too to find out my DD214 no longer gives me a pass.

Kruzr
03-18-2005, 9:48 AM
The HSC test is 30 multiple choice questions. You are allowed to miss 7 and still pass. In the year that I have been giving the test, I've only seen one person that did not pass it. He missed some of the ambiguous questions where they give a partial answer as one of the choices and the full correct answer as another choice.

If you read the study guide, you should be able to pass it easily.

esskay
03-18-2005, 5:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Cazach:
I beleive the test is 30 questions. As others have posted.. if you fail the test....you probably should not own a gun, drive a car or be walking upright.

I took it about a week ago and the guy sat me down in a cozy corner and said that he would be back in 10 minutes. I tracked him down about 90 seconds later and he looked stunned. He asked if I was sure about my answers on the test. After giving me a perfect score he gave me an odd look.

The only somewhat obscure references are 2 or 3 pertaining to the wacky Kali laws. Spend 2 seconds with the study guide then give 'em your money and take the test. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, I blew through mine too. Took me longer just to verify that I didn't get misaligned on the answer sheet (gotta remember that lesson from grade school!).

I recall seeing a guy at a Turner's who failed his test. But watching him try to talk to the Turner's guy it was clear he could barely speak English! I presume he couldn't read either, so maybe he was randomly answering the questions.

Kruzr
03-18-2005, 8:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:
My test administrator drew a smiley face on my test after I scored perfectly http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

The counter staff at Reed's was short handed when I asked to take the test, so they called an attractive young woman from the back office to administer the test.

It only took me a couple of minutes. She checked the test and found no mistakes. I jokingly asked if I earned a gold star. She said "sorry", then drew a smiley face on the test. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're supposed to be a California Certified Handgun Safety Instructor to give someone the test. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

toolman9000
03-19-2005, 1:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kruzr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:
My test administrator drew a smiley face on my test after I scored perfectly http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

The counter staff at Reed's was short handed when I asked to take the test, so they called an attractive young woman from the back office to administer the test.

It only took me a couple of minutes. She checked the test and found no mistakes. I jokingly asked if I earned a gold star. She said "sorry", then drew a smiley face on the test. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You're supposed to be a California Certified Handgun Safety Instructor to give someone the test. http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

As a Certified Handgun Instructor it is okay to give someone else the responsibility to proctor the test as long as the HSC instructor is present and aware, the HSC card must be signed by a certified instrucor with the instructor number. If she signed the card that is a no-no but if the test was seen and card signed by an instructor then it's kosher.

-toolman9000

patman
04-16-2005, 12:16 PM
Some of us were debating the merits of the HSC and how it's better than the old never expiring BFSC. The last time I bought a handgun was 3 years ago and my hunter's safety stamp was OK for the purchase. So to prove a point, I took the HSC test cold turkey after making a nice "bet" on the subject. Three minutes later the score was 30/30 but no smily face as Ted got http://www.calguns.net/bow.gif

If you can read (English for the English version of the test http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif and have some form of training or education, then it's a easy. Think of it as a donation to the state's economy no matter what.

Some of the questions were more in relation to the law rather than safety so maybe the Certificate's name should be something different. HLASC perhaps http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

With the HSC in hand, it's time to start shopping for Christmas http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif [after getting wife's gift first of course]

Ducati748r
04-16-2005, 2:39 PM
I just missed one question http://calguns.net/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif Oh well. I'm looking to purchase a 1911 next month..hopefully. The gun gods willing. I think I'll go for a springfield 45.