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  • sirgrumps
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 2493

    Law for PPT of pistols

    What year the the Kali legislature pass the law requiring an FFL dealer to record PPT transfers of pistol?

    and what is the statue of limitations?
    ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
    - Justice Clarence Thomas
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    alfred1222
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2010
    • 7331

    I'm pretty sure it was 1991. Google is your friend, use the wiki
    Originally posted by Kestryll
    This guy is a complete and total idiot.
    /thread.

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    • #3
      Untamed1972
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2009
      • 17579

      Originally posted by sirgrumps
      What year the the Kali legislature pass the law requiring an FFL dealer to record PPT transfers of pistol?

      and what is the statue of limitations?
      You dont work for the Sac County Sheriff dept by chance do you? LOL
      "Freedom begins with an act of defiance"

      Quote for the day:
      "..the mind is the weapon and the hand only its extention. Discipline your mind!" Master Hao, Chenrezi monastery, Valley of the Sun

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      • #4
        Librarian
        Admin and Poltergeist
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2005
        • 44626

        Originally posted by sirgrumps
        What year the the Kali legislature pass the law requiring an FFL dealer to record PPT transfers of pistol?

        and what is the statue of limitations?
        2 different questions.

        Dealers have been required to report handgun sales since 1924 in pretty much the current format, but the requirement was there earlier.

        The Legislature required substantially all firearms transfers to go through an FFL beginning in 1991.

        See also the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Ti..._Firearms_Laws

        Statute of limitations? One needs such a thing only if one actually has committed a crime. (But failure to use an FFL for a transfer is a misdemeanor; misdemeanor SOL is 3 years.)
        ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

        Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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        • #5
          sirgrumps
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2009
          • 2493

          well, I sold a bunch of stuff pre-1991 and found hand written receipts of sales, so I am wondering if I need to keep them.
          ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
          - Justice Clarence Thomas

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          • #6
            Librarian
            Admin and Poltergeist
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2005
            • 44626

            Originally posted by sirgrumps
            well, I sold a bunch of stuff pre-1991 and found hand written receipts of sales, so I am wondering if I need to keep them.
            I would.

            Just stick them all in a big envelope and store the envelope with your guns. Costs almost nothing, and might - might - come in handy should one of those sold guns turn up stolen or used in a crime, and the nice folks from DOJ/BATF drop by and ask.

            If it were a whole file cabinet drawer full, I'd scan them in as documents and save them off to a CD or two.

            But 'I sold it in 1989; I kept the receipts more than 20 years and finally dumped them.' should be fine.
            ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

            Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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            • #7
              littlejake
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 2168

              I've had to straighten out AFS printouts I requested in 2007 and in 2011. Keeping records and receipts makes the process so much easier. Save every scrap of paper from any gun transaction/transfer. Only you can fix the mess DOJ has made of the database -- I feel like I should get paid to do their job.
              Life Member NRA and 2A Foundation.
              My posts are my own opinions and do not reflect those of any organization I am a member of.
              Nothing I post should be construed as legal advice; if you need legal advice, see a lawyer.

              "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."
              William Pitt (1759-1806)

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              • #8
                Kappy
                Calguns Addict
                • Jul 2007
                • 5349

                I don't think there is anything to link the guns to you, is there? Since this is before DROS?

                But yeah... there's no reason not to keep them. It's jsut a couple pieces of paper. Keep them for their historical value if nothing else.
                Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

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                • #9
                  Quiet
                  retired Goon
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 30241

                  Originally posted by Kappy
                  I don't think there is anything to link the guns to you, is there? Since this is before DROS?

                  But yeah... there's no reason not to keep them. It's jsut a couple pieces of paper. Keep them for their historical value if nothing else.
                  DROS has been in place since 1924.
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                  "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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                  • #10
                    sirgrumps
                    Senior Member
                    • Apr 2009
                    • 2493

                    Another question, do I need to keep receipts of any firearm transferred through a FFL?
                    ?The constitutional right to bear arms in public for self-defense is not a ?second-class right,? subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.? ?.. "We know of no other constitutional rights that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need."
                    - Justice Clarence Thomas

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                    • #11
                      dantodd
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 9360

                      Originally posted by sirgrumps
                      Another question, do I need to keep receipts of any firearm transferred through a FFL?
                      Legally, no. Many recommend that you do though. I don't have any of mine except potentially by neglect of cleaning.
                      Coyote Point Armory
                      341 Beach Road
                      Burlingame CA 94010
                      650-315-2210
                      http://CoyotePointArmory.com

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                      • #12
                        ICONIC
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 1223

                        Buy an accordian folder, put all paperwork in there. I keep my firearm paper work with taxes, w-2s, car insurance etc. Some people don't do this but if 5-0 ever comes knocking about a firearm you sold through PPT show them the paper work and send them on their merry way.
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                        • #13
                          dantodd
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 9360

                          Originally posted by ICONIC
                          But if 5-0 ever comes knocking about a firearm you sold through PPT show them the paper work and send them on their merry way.
                          You can SELL guns?
                          Coyote Point Armory
                          341 Beach Road
                          Burlingame CA 94010
                          650-315-2210
                          http://CoyotePointArmory.com

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