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  • #16
    ZombieTactics
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2010
    • 3691

    Originally posted by loather
    ... If everyone did this ...
    Well, "if everyone" did all sorts of things we wouldn't have any number of problems. That's hardly an argument for anything however, because it's just not how reality operates.

    In the real world people have to form alliances and make difficult decisions. This involves putting your energies and resources where they can do something more than make you feel good.

    I voted for Ron Paul on Tuesday, because I saw no downside to doing so in California during a primary election. It won't get him the nomination, but it sends the right kind of message to the Romney campaign if enough people do it. That's one potential way to wield some small influence.

    Once the nomination is settled, I'm voting according to the "Reagan Rule": for the most conservative candidate who can win.

    Anything else is the tactic of wishful thinking IMHO.
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    • #17
      Mesa Tactical
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2004
      • 1746

      Originally posted by ubet
      Then I got to thinking, if barack gets re elected, what a complete and utter DISASTER that would be. I had been thinking about writing in a candidate, but now, because of the age of 4 of the Justices, might just have to stomach it and vote for Romney, God knows we dont want bho to be able to nominate anymore justices. Is this a fair assessment?
      Vote your conscience. California's 55 Electoral College votes are going to Obama.
      Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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      • #18
        jorgyusa
        Member
        • Jan 2009
        • 157

        I have heard it said that this election (because of judicial appointments) is not about the next 4 years but about he next 40 years and I think the affect could be longer than that, because once a right is gone it doesn't come back without upheaval or revolution. And besides a lot of us will be dead in 40 years and not enjoy a restoration of rights if it comes after an Obama victory. I agree that Obama will win in California and in the quiet of the voting booth you can vote for whoever, but in public we must enthusiastically support Romney with money and anything else (i.e calling out of state voters in swing states). Tell the pollsters that he is your candidate. Consensus works for a lot of voters who want to simply be on the winning side.

        It is too bad that we can never seem to get the perfect candidate, but that is life and we must look at the bigger picture.
        Last edited by jorgyusa; 06-07-2012, 9:49 PM.

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        • #19
          stix213
          AKA: Joe Censored
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Apr 2009
          • 18998

          Originally posted by ubet
          I dont know why, but as I was showering this morning, I got to thinking about the 2a and SCOTUS. Looking at the birthdates of Ginsburg, Kennedy, Breyer, and Scalia, is their a chance that the next POTUS might have the chance to replace half, if not all of them?

          Then I got to thinking, if barack gets re elected, what a complete and utter DISASTER that would be. I had been thinking about writing in a candidate, but now, because of the age of 4 of the Justices, might just have to stomach it and vote for Romney, God knows we dont want bho to be able to nominate anymore justices. Is this a fair assessment?
          Please help explain this to the people who are going to write in Paul in the general rather than vote Romney, cause they value principal over actual results.

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          • #20
            ubet
            Senior Member
            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2011
            • 1557

            Originally posted by Untamed1972
            What concerns me is....why are you thinking about guns and old guys in the shower? LOL
            Dont worry, it concerns me too!

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            • #21
              ubet
              Senior Member
              CGN Contributor
              • Feb 2011
              • 1557

              Originally posted by stix213
              Please help explain this to the people who are going to write in Paul in the general rather than vote Romney, cause they value principal over actual results.
              You cant tell the Paul voters anything . Its like a cult with them.

              Dont get me wrong, domestic policy, he is amazing, his foreign policy is a train wreck.

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              • #22
                ClarenceBoddicker
                Veteran Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 2783

                The Senate has to confirm all SCOTUS nominees. The POTUS only selects them, it's up to voters in all 50 states to OK them. As long as the GOP keeps choosing worthless candidates like Mitts, our 2A rights will remain in jeopardy. The GOP is not aligned with personal freedom & Liberty, but with the rich & mega corporations. The GOP will never field a candidate that can beat Boxer or DiFi. I highly doubt CA will ever vote for a non democrat POTUS again. FDR tried to pack the court & it didn't work. Pro 2A people should concentrate on the US Congress, as that is where the fight will be won or lost.

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                • #23
                  Ripon83
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 6686

                  Common Sense

                  I'm glad some people remember.

                  If BHO got to replace Scalia and or another conservative member of the court its toast. Obama supporters can point to Romney's "issues" from Massachusetts all they want its a liberal anti gun state - just like ours - but with a pro gun congress (which we have) he'll be just fine. He didn't have a pro gun legislature in Mass; and he's cuddled up to the NRA as he should.....

                  Now for the real kicker....he's only 11 pts down in CA. Lets help Romney at least "threaten" to win CA and make Obama waste his resources here.


                  Originally posted by tacticalcity
                  In the primary election you would be correct. In a general election you are dead wrong. Doing it your way lead to Bill Clinton. Remember Ross Perot? Once the primary is settled and the general election is on, you have to choose a side.
                  Remember the Mighty Midgets



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                  • #24
                    k1dude
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • May 2009
                    • 13590

                    Most people don't realize that this election determines the fate of the nation forever. It's all about the Supreme Court. You are voting for the person that gets to select several new Supreme Court justices. If Obama wins, kiss the nation as we knew it goodbye. The court will likely be stacked for several decades by communists that abhor the Constitution and our founding fathers. Say goodbye to your firearms. It's that simple.

                    The economy and social issues take a very distant back seat to choosing Supreme Court justices. The future of our country will be determined by the Supreme Court.
                    "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                    "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                    • #25
                      ForceofNations
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 37

                      Originally posted by Cnynrat
                      True. In California where it is inevitable that our Electoral votes will bring cast for 0bama, we have the opportunity to vote our conscience.
                      Exactly. As long as the electoral college is winner take all...I'll either write in Ron Paul or vote for Gary Johnson... it will make no difference since my vote doesn't count in our state.

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                      • #26
                        vantec08
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 3795

                        Originally posted by ClarenceBoddicker
                        The Senate has to confirm all SCOTUS nominees. The POTUS only selects them, it's up to voters in all 50 states to OK them. As long as the GOP keeps choosing worthless candidates like Mitts, our 2A rights will remain in jeopardy. The GOP is not aligned with personal freedom & Liberty, but with the rich & mega corporations. The GOP will never field a candidate that can beat Boxer or DiFi. I highly doubt CA will ever vote for a non democrat POTUS again. FDR tried to pack the court & it didn't work. Pro 2A people should concentrate on the US Congress, as that is where the fight will be won or lost.

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                        • #27
                          stix213
                          AKA: Joe Censored
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 18998

                          Originally posted by ClarenceBoddicker
                          The Senate has to confirm all SCOTUS nominees. The POTUS only selects them, it's up to voters in all 50 states to OK them. As long as the GOP keeps choosing worthless candidates like Mitts, our 2A rights will remain in jeopardy. The GOP is not aligned with personal freedom & Liberty, but with the rich & mega corporations. The GOP will never field a candidate that can beat Boxer or DiFi. I highly doubt CA will ever vote for a non democrat POTUS again. FDR tried to pack the court & it didn't work. Pro 2A people should concentrate on the US Congress, as that is where the fight will be won or lost.
                          The US congress comes and goes frequently, SCOTUS appointments last a lifetime. Just because in your opinion FDR failed at stacking the court, doesn't mean it is impossible.

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                          • #28
                            alice901212
                            Junior Member
                            • Apr 2012
                            • 18

                            Of course in this state the Dems are a lead pipe cinch, so scratch that reason.
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                            • #29
                              Goosebrown
                              Member
                              • May 2010
                              • 346

                              "Don't vote for the lesser of two evils candidate. Vote for who you really want to do the job."

                              Absolutely right. I don't love Romney or Obama and I have a tough choice, but 2a rights are my only deciding factor. I have to see if there is anyone else on the ballot here to vote for.
                              Matt Brown
                              Rifleman/214 - November 2014

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                              • #30
                                Dreaded Claymore
                                Veteran Member
                                • May 2010
                                • 3231

                                In the primary, vote for the greatest good. In the general election, vote for the lesser of two evils.

                                It'd be really cool if we did instant runoff voting like some countries do.

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