Pro-Gun Legislation

[Tiberius]

It seems that as California gun-owners, we are constantly on the defensive as proposals such as ammo-stamping, bullet-button-banning get floated and incite all sorts of worry.

Are there no pro-gun legislators to draft pieces such as 1) repeal of "the roster" (as an ineffective and costly restraint of trade that affects California tax revenue); 2) repeal of the California "assault weapons ban" as accomplishing nothing, and so on? There are many other possibilities.

If our backs are to the goal line constantly, every now and then we're going to give up a score. We need to get some offense going. Not every member of legislature is an urbanite whose fear of guns is based on a profound misunderstanding; there are plenty of hunters, shooters, and military vets in the Legislature.

I have no idea who these folks are, but I'm sure some people here do. We need to put together some proposed or draft legislation and get it to the right people. If anyone can point me in the right direction - and perhaps the Calguns Foundation (I think that's it) is already on this. But I'm in to help.

T

[the86d]

They only care to get reelected, and the ignorance of city-fied overeducated, and undereducated will vote for them again if they saw their name somewhere protecting them against EBRs, not protecting everyone's rights...

[Capybara]

You forget this is the PRK, the state ruled by tyranny. There are very few pro gun politicians in this state and even fewer who would step up and do this as it is political suicide. Politicians tend to care about only one thing, getting re-elected.

We are the state of Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi. California has not been and probably never will be a pro gun state, we will always have to fight for our lives here. We only have our limited gun rights because of some smart lawyers and organizations who acted quickly to preserve our rights by challenge.

[Bhobbs]

If I remember right, there was a bill last year that was trying to remove an anti gun law from the books that was ruled unconstitutional by the courts but it never came close to passing.

The CA state gov will never pass a pro gun bill. Especially one that over turns the roster or AW ban.

[Tiberius]

I don't think the representatives from San Francisco will support 2A rights. But there must be reps from Shasta, Modoc, Placer, and many other non-urban counties that do support them. It seems like the only folks who are proposing bills are a few vehemently anti-gun legislators. There must be some from more rural areas that might even enjoy getting behind a cause that would be popular in their district.

The Calguns Foundation is doing incredible work in the courts. I just wonder whether another front could be opened in the state legislature. The bills that come out are incredibly one-sided; even if a bill to abandon the 10 day wait for those who already own guns, or to abandon the roster, or the AWB, didn't pass, it might still be beneficial, if it points out the ludicrous nature of our laws and how out of step California is with the rest of the country.

[winnre]

"Pro gun" and "legislation" ought never be put together. That infers we have no rights unless they are doled out by our leaders.

[berto]

I don't think the representatives from San Francisco will support 2A rights. But there must be reps from Shasta, Modoc, Placer, and many other non-urban counties that do support them. It seems like the only folks who are proposing bills are a few vehemently anti-gun legislators. There must be some from more rural areas that might even enjoy getting behind a cause that would be popular in their district.

The Calguns Foundation is doing incredible work in the courts. I just wonder whether another front could be opened in the state legislature. The bills that come out are incredibly one-sided; even if a bill to abandon the 10 day wait for those who already own guns, or to abandon the roster, or the AWB, didn't pass, it might still be beneficial, if it points out the ludicrous nature of our laws and how out of step California is with the rest of the country.

Look at how the legislature's committees are structured (a dysfunctional and irrelevant GOP traded safe seats for the ability to do little except hold up the budget) and you'll see the votes aren't there to move anything out of committee let alone through both houses and to the gov. Look at the games that get played when a legislator steps out of line and crosses the party head (staff and office cut etc) and you'll see folks intent on protecting their careers over doing what they were elected to do. The rural guys and pro-gun guys don't have a chance.

[motorhead]

not in the cards, YET.

[Librarian]

Despite some individual exceptions, the Democrat leadership of the Legislature seems to find an anti-gun position to their advantage.

Since the Legislature is dominated by Democrats, the committees are all Democrat-majority. Even slightly pro-gun bills generally are killed in committee, with party line votes.

Changing the anti-gun position from an advantage to a neutral or a disadvantage is the goal we need to achieve.

ETA berto said much the same thing, as I was typing.

[Patermagnus]

With Gavin Newsome looking to put himself in the governor's seat, gun advocates need to sort something out.

Part of the problem is the common stereotype of gun owners. We're generally depicted as undereducated, ignorant, bible-banging, beer-swilling sister-f@#$rs. When we're not painted as rednecks, we're painted as paranoid conspiracy theorists, neo-Nazis or militia members. While some folks fit the negative stereotypes, many of us do not. Honestly, when was the last time a TV show presented the audience with an example of a responsible, gun-owning private citizen?

That said, the face of CA gun owners needs a makeover, and we need to educate the general public in regards to the benefits of responsible gun ownership, hunting, etc. The only folks I'm aware of that are really pushing this kind of education are the NRA, and they are too closely linked to the GOP to crack the closed minds on the Left. We need a more moderate approach that won't immediately raise the hackles of the Left.

How do we go about doing this?

[Don29palms]

"Pro gun" and "legislation" ought never be put together. That infers we have no rights unless they are doled out by our leaders.

Where have you been? For years now we have had no rights. Only privileges that the government allows us to have.

We use to have the Constitution and The Bill of Rights. Now we have Constitutional Guidelines and the Bill of Privileges. We don't even have those here in the USSK!

[LikeAllGuns]

It seems that as California gun-owners, we are constantly on the defensive as proposals such as ammo-stamping, bullet-button-banning get floated and incite all sorts of worry.

Are there no pro-gun legislators to draft pieces such as 1) repeal of "the roster" (as an ineffective and costly restraint of trade that affects California tax revenue); 2) repeal of the California "assault weapons ban" as accomplishing nothing, and so on? There are many other possibilities.

If our backs are to the goal line constantly, every now and then we're going to give up a score. We need to get some offense going. Not every member of legislature is an urbanite whose fear of guns is based on a profound misunderstanding; there are plenty of hunters, shooters, and military vets in the Legislature.

I have no idea who these folks are, but I'm sure some people here do. We need to put together some proposed or draft legislation and get it to the right people. If anyone can point me in the right direction - and perhaps the Calguns Foundation (I think that's it) is already on this. But I'm in to help.

T

I AGREE ^^^^

[SilverTauron]

It seems that as California gun-owners, we are constantly on the defensive as proposals such as ammo-stamping, bullet-button-banning get floated and incite all sorts of worry.

Are there no pro-gun legislators to draft pieces such as 1) repeal of "the roster" (as an ineffective and costly restraint of trade that affects California tax revenue); 2) repeal of the California "assault weapons ban" as accomplishing nothing, and so on? There are many other possibilities.

If our backs are to the goal line constantly, every now and then we're going to give up a score. We need to get some offense going. Not every member of legislature is an urbanite whose fear of guns is based on a profound misunderstanding; there are plenty of hunters, shooters, and military vets in the Legislature.

I have no idea who these folks are, but I'm sure some people here do. We need to put together some proposed or draft legislation and get it to the right people. If anyone can point me in the right direction - and perhaps the Calguns Foundation (I think that's it) is already on this. But I'm in to help.

T

The problem you guys face is the same one in Illinois. To use your soccer analogy, the pro-rights team has 3 tired players . The other side has 3 shifts of 20 guys who are all expert runners and shooters. Playing offense isn't an option when the other side can shut you down at will. The only thing keeping the 3 players from being totally overrun is a referee (which represents the courts).

As an example of that point, a bill recently came up to reduce the waiting period from 10 days to 3 days for people with carry permits. As demonstrated by the total lack of violent crime sprees in states without them, waiting periods only serve as obstacles to legal gun ownership. Yet, when the bill hit the floor for a vote it got massively shot down in the California legislature.

Remember, this isn't a bill proposing shall-issue concealed carry or removal of the roster. This was a measure to reduce the waiting period for the subset of the state population which has a permit to carry-and it was sent to the rubbish bin at the speed of light.

[ICONIC]

I think with the June 5th elections coming up, Calguns should take a play out of the NRA playbook and give our elected officals grades based upon their views towards hunting and 2A issues. (Not sure if they already do this or not.)

Secondly, with as much whining and crying that goes on in their forums, forum members need to go out and vote. That is the only way things will ever change in this state.

[curtisfong]

Stop insisting it is a partisan issue, and it won't be a partisan issue.

Changing the anti-gun position from an advantage [for Democrat politicians] to a neutral or a disadvantage is the goal we need to achieve.

I have no idea why this simple idea is so difficult for people to understand.