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  • #61
    taperxz
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2010
    • 19395

    Originally posted by mud99
    When toying around with the dry bag, it seems pretty secure. No way you can manipulate the trigger through the thick plastic or tear the bag without tools.

    If using it on a boat, kayak, snowmobile, it seems to be reasonably secure, no less so than a pistol rug. I feel comfortable using it, although I wouldn't use it outside of these applications where their is a logical, debatable purpose for using it.

    I'm still not clear how the ziplock bag isn't *legally* secure.

    The PC excepts a "secure" locking container. Secure against what? A child? A man with a chainsaw? Is it to secure the gun from damage if you drop it? Is it to secure the public from the horrors of viewing an unloaded firearm? Secure from theft?

    No case meets all the definitions of secure. If someone can tear a phone book in half they could probably also tear a pistol rug in half. Or smash a hard case into a rock until it breaks.

    This smells to me like the AWB, where California needs to define features which make a case "secure". They should not be allowed to redefine a word on a whim.

    Ranting complete.


    Try using a little common sense. Furthermore a clear bag would subject you to an e check. Therefore giving up your rights to search and seizure as an LEO can obviously see whats in the bag. I do agree the one bag with the lock would be legal if the plastic were strong enough to withstand someone trying to tear it open. Kinda like what comforters are purchased and stored in.

    The zip lock, not so much.

    IMHO, If the container were "made" for the purpose of storing/transporting a firearm, and lockable, i have a hard time seeing a court charging you for doing something illegal.

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    • #62
      Mesa Tactical
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2004
      • 1746

      Originally posted by mud99
      I'm still not clear how the ziplock bag isn't *legally* secure.
      Then go for it.
      Lucy at www.mesatactical.com

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      • #63
        Librarian
        Admin and Poltergeist
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2005
        • 44628

        Originally posted by mud99
        I'm still not clear how the ziplock bag isn't *legally* secure.
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        They should not be allowed to redefine a word on a whim.
        There is no 'redefine' going on; there is no 'define', either.

        Look at People v Clark; the court there went to the dictionary for a definition of 'loaded' when it thought the one in PC was for some sort of special circumstances.

        Operationally, 'secure' means 'a LEO doesn't laugh at you when you present it to him as a secure container'.

        Reasonable people can differ on what they feel is 'secure'. There is no usage of 'secure' of which I am aware that would include a zip-lock bag with a lock through it.

        And, having finally reached this point, as most threads on the topic seem to accomplish, we're done here.
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