Portantino at it again: AB1527 long gun open carry ban

[Glock22Fan]

My rights don't depend on your opinions. The 2nd Amendment is plain as day. This is going to be a fight. Get over yourself Mr. Retired LEO. Time to fight is now. Enough is enough.

Ron is a great asset to this board. You, I've never heard of.

And yes, whether it is constitutional or not, any of us with any sense whatsoever knows that poking a tiger with a stick is not a good idea, whether you have a right to do it or not.

When the Black Panthers paraded with loaded guns, it was obviously going to lead to a loaded weapon ban. We said when people insisted on carrying unloaded handguns (not as defensive weapons but in order to be seen and "make a point") that it would lead to an open carry ban. We said when people switched to long guns, that it would lead to another ban. It really doesn't matter whether it is constitutional or not, the politicians will only take notice when the Supremes smack them down - and even then DC and Chicago show us that the politicans really think that the constitution does not apply to them - and so they will need a lot of smacking.

Idiocy is continually repeating the same actions and expecting different results.

Now, what are you doing that is going to have a positive effect on our rights?

[Uxi]

Some people are going to be afraid of you and I having guns locked in gun safes. Can't help that and not going to enable them by trying.

Indeed. But don't dare provoke them lest they ban your safe, too.

[RKV]

I have no idea who you are either glock. So I'm not going to waste my time spelling out my bona fides. CHS has misinterpreted what I've written here before. He did it again. I called him on it. You're certainly not going to make me stop correcting him when he gets it wrong.

[sholling]

Really?

Who do you blame for the .50 BMG rifle ban. Explain who brought about the GFSZ. Which firing range was so stupid as to let people shoot there, and get closed down? What about all those crazy fools and their surplus firearms that got banned back in 93? Who had too many normal capacity magazines? How many dead cops did it take to ban "cop killer" ammo?

One has nothing to do with the other - the open carry ban was a DIRECT RESULT of open carry fanatics daring the legislature to ban open carry. You can try to blame it on the weather or the stars or whatever floats your boat but anyone with their head out side of their nether regions understands that the open carry kiddies got what they expected and wanted and hurt all of us with their childish antics. I blame them as much as I do the Bradys and put them on the same level - both are my enemies.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ron is a great asset to this board. You, I've never heard of.

Yep, Ron is a proven asset. The other guy sounds more like he's an asset to the Bradys.

Some people are going to be afraid of you and I having guns locked in gun safes. Can't help that and not going to enable them by trying.

Sounds like you are trying to enable them by making sure all firearms are always in safes. Anyone who UOCs to make a political statement only hurts gun owners and brings the antis one step closer to being able to target guns in safes because, all others will be illegal.

[RKV]

I smell battered gun owner syndrome here. And it ain't pretty.

[Ron-Solo]

My rights don't depend on your opinions. The 2nd Amendment is plain as day. This is going to be a fight. Get over yourself Mr. Retired LEO. Time to fight is now. Enough is enough.

I'm out of line? Where do you get this concept? Where in my post did I say anything advocating the open carry of firearms? Since you're an FNG, I'll give you a little slack. Spend some time reading my posts before insulting me.

While I personally don't think open carry is a good idea for tactical reasons, I believe the 2A grants this right to any non-prohibited person.

What I said, was that being confrontational, will get results. There have been a few incidents of long gun open carry where the participants were confrontational with responding officers. Because of a few incidents, the anti-gun politicians are going after long guns now. They aren't patient enough to let the legal challenges on the handgun open carry issues to run their course.

I'm a firm believer that the entire process for concealed carry permits needs to be revised and made accessible to the average law abiding individual.

Pick your battles, I am not your enemy.

[Glock22Fan]

I have no idea who you are either glock. So I'm not going to waste my time spelling out my bona fides. CHS has misinterpreted what I've written here before. He did it again. I called him on it. You're certainly not going to make me stop correcting him when he gets it wrong.

I don't know who CHS is either, so my comments were not based on me reading his "misinterpretations" of what you said - just on what you said.

If you are writing things that are misunderstood by him, me and about a dozen other people who have called you on it in this thread, maybe you should think about how you are putting your thoughts over.

And, as you say you have no idea who I am, I'll quote Rhett Butler (have you heard of him?): "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn."

[r3dn3ck]

ok, who switched from carrying to brandishing. I only carried... never brandished but I know one of you goons did it

Love the wording choices. however you feel about it, it's only going to end up good for us. You can only infringe so much before the courts take notice at the trend and decide that they've let things go too far. It's been happening. Hell if nothing else it gives CGF something to do after they've won all the other battles they're currently fighting.

[Aldemar]

I doubt the Democratic legislature and pro -gun Gov. Jerry Brown will sign on to this legislation .
If it ever gets formally introduced.
Besides those I know of always use some sort of gun case.

I hope you forgot to ad this

If not, how does the Kool-Aid taste?

[Uxi]

I read that as heavy sarcasm.

[javalos]

Thanks open carry people for mucking it up for the rest of us.

"Arms in the hands of citizens (may) be used at individual discretion...in private self defense..." -John Adams, A defense of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788).

[RKV]

"I blame them as much as I do the Bradys and put them on the same level - both are my enemies."

And that is just the way the Bradys like it.

[RKV]

"Since you're an FNG?" You calling me a new guy doesn't make me one. You don't know what you're talking about and I'm not going to waste time educating you.

[SilverTauron]

Stockholm syndrome appears to be a live and well on this board.

Ive open carried a shotgun in public before. Not in California , but no one in my city in South Dakota died or got killed when I took my lowly Maverick 88 out of the trunk of my car.

The so called "open carry protesters" that are attracting "unwanted attention" are doing the same thing millions of people all over the nation are doing in their respective states, and just like those millions of others nationwide these so called 'activists' are doing nothing that is a threat to public safety.

This is no time to point fingers at other gun owners, or to play "chessmaster" and state that there is some massive multi-fold plan in the works to overturn a liberal voting system that by your own admission has a solid lock on the state's politics.The people toting shotguns in Starbucks could just as easily state that fighting the good fight in the court room is a dead end, since every unjust law you guys spend money neutralizing is replaced with two more before the weeks over.

The problem here is not with the people carrying their property in public. The problem isn't even with Portantino. The problem is with the people who elected and supported that statist turd. I watched how the Open Carry debate was considered lunacy by the standard Joe California, and how the people the admittedly slanted press interviewed about guns all said the same thing;that you don't need one to buy a cheeseburger, and that if you want to pack heat like some kind of terrorist you should jump through the appropriate hoops. Your population elects and supports people like Portantino, and they consider ALL who would visit this site -including myself-a group of backwards paranoids who should seek counseling.


It is THOSE folks who need to be given the blame, and not fellow gun owners who share the same goal as those who run this forum.

This issue is a litmus test for the future of your state. Either the majority of your voting population will see through this blatant attempt at publicity and illegal infringement , or they will stand cheering behind Portantino for the destruction of your collective rights. It will send a very clear signal one way or the other which way the state is going.Choosing to leave if the situation will only decay worse is a wise choice, similar to a passenger on a sinking ship who would dearly like his vessel to stay afloat, but himself cannot pump enough water out to prevent the inevitable. A person in that situation would be wise for seeking exit on a lifeboat.

One wonders what language we all would be speaking today had the Founding Fathers decided to take the "low profile" road in dealing with the problem of King George.