Portantino at it again: AB1527 long gun open carry ban

[kcbrown]

Also, I think part of Emily's travails was the eagerness for a very particular firearm which was not readily available in the proper configuration.

I suspect Gene is going to fix that particular problem for DC as well as for California.

We all want to see Gene's Package.

[hoffmang]

We're almost at the stage where we (I use the term loosely) win when we win and we win when we lose.

My god it's nice to know that our strategy isn't lost on everyone!

-Gene

[Dreaded Claymore]

Gene's Package

We all want to see Gene's Package.

I'm posting these just in case some people haven't seen them:

[kcbrown]

My god it's nice to know that our strategy is lost on everyone!

The more confusion, the better, eh?


(I suspect you meant "isn't" where you said "is")

[hoffmang]

(I suspect you meant "isn't" where you said "is")

Err.. that!

Editing to fix.

-Gene

[kcbrown]

I'm posting these just in case some people haven't seen them:

[KylaGWolf]

Great. I guess the open carriers want all of us to be required to always transport our long guns in locked case at all times. Great going morons!

You would be wrong when you say "all" open carriers want to screw up rights for everyone else. But I will say the open carrying of long guns was not the smartest choice in the world.

[KylaGWolf]

Really? Then why wasn't UOC banned 30 years ago, or 5 years ago? Because nobody was dumb enough to get soccer moms riled up and give the legislature an excuse.


It's going to take a whole lot of phone calls, and letter writing, and emails to try to slow this train. We probably can't stop them from passing the ban but a lot of man hours are going to get eaten up trying.


Yes I can, it's the gun grabbers in the legislature and the UOCers that dared the legislature to ban UOC. Not that the UOCers care but many of us had long gun UOC as part of a contingency plan for bugging out - that's out the window. Thanks to the UOCers we get to pack locked gun cases while bugging out.

You know someone said it earlier in this thread but bears repeating by attacking each other doing the whole damn blame game isn't going to do anyone good and only cause infighting when we should all be working together to make sure that this one doesn't pass.

As to the whole UOCers NOT all were in it for in your face "its my right" and to scare soccer moms. But there are some of us that did it for protection. That's right protection. Yes it was unloaded but damn it was still my best chance of freaking getting away if something went that far south. I can't run away, less lethal forms of self defense may or may not work (depends if my own arm is working right or not). And well I stood down even BEFORE Gene and the rest asked, and have remained so even though it bothers the hell out of me to do so. As for carrying long guns in public IMHO it was stupid and crazy and wanted no part of it.

[QQQ]

This is categorically false. UOC only became banned after it was practiced in a wide-scale fashion.

So you're saying that Brady would have been okay with legalized unloaded open carry indefinitely if we only just never chose to exercise the right?
Please.

[BMC]

Dunno if it has been posted or not. If so...carry on.

The AB1527 bill : http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...ntroduced.html

Long read. The more important stuff is at the first and last thirds of it. Note: it does specifically say that it is legal to unloaded open carry "non handgun" on private property and anywhere it is legal to discharge a firearm, among other places noted.

[TNP'R]

My prayers are with the state of CA and its gun owners I hope this doesn't happen to you all. Its uncalled for and disgusting to see it happening.

[Gray Peterson]

So you're saying that Brady would have been okay with legalized unloaded open carry indefinitely if we only just never chose to exercise the right?
Please.

California Legislature only responds to manufactured crisis engineered by the anti-gun news media in California, as well as police leadership groups. Most of those manufactured crisis bills failed in the last few years as more and more things were regulated in the late 1990's and early 2000's under Governor Gray Davis.

For example, a full concealed LTC allowed someone to open carry statewide in California until 2009, when someone went into Los Angeles and open carried on such LTC and couldn't be charged with anything for it. That's when the Legislature went into action and fixed it for the CSSA and the CPOA, and it was such an outside the norm thing that it was able to be done without much fanfare.

[fiddletown]

So you're saying that Brady would have been okay with legalized unloaded open carry indefinitely if we only just never chose to exercise the right?...

Don't be silly. UOC simply wasn't on anyone's radar -- that is until a bunch of folks decided to stage public demonstrations, invite the media and otherwise call attention to themselves. At that point, enough people expressed annoyance that it became apparent that there was political capital to be made by banning the practice.

[tjburke85]

Lets vote these police state legislators out!

[fiddletown]

Lets vote these police state legislators out!

The problem is that right now there aren't enough of us to do that. We need to understand that and find ways to deal with that reality. So how do we get more voters on our side? Here's a hint: UOC wasn't the way.