Portantino at it again: AB1527 long gun open carry ban

[Gray Peterson]

Prove it. Does Calguns (CGF) support any form of unlicensed loaded carry?

Support is not the same as litigating it, and if the supreme court wanted unlicensed loaded carry as the right, they could have taken Williams v. State of Maryland. They didn't.

What the "OC is the only right" crowd do not understand is that SCOTUS already made it clear in Heller that they definitely consider concealed carry to be the right, but did not make that clear about OC. See the discussion about coat pockets, which is more recent, updated and more on point than a foot note in an 1897 decision that had zero to do with 2A.

[Uxi]

Heller only really addressed keep and not bear. We need them to accept another case for that.

We may just find that out if the LOCers succeed in getting more methods of carry taken away from us.

What method of carry is left. I'd be skeptical that your 'bug out' route doesn't pass through a GFSZ in Hemet in anyway.

[Glock22Fan]

Our strategy must take into account elements that do not read Sun Tzu or play chess.

Wow! Way to go! Let's ignore the wisdom of the ages and reduce our tactics to those the less intellectual ones amongst us tell us are the right tactics, even though we know they aren't.

Says it all, doesn't it?

[fiddletown]

...Since when did anybody's feelings or opinions cause me to lose or alter my rights? Since when did lawmakers get to skirt around my personal liberties?...

Pretty much since the beginning of human societies.

Bottom line is the legislatures will enact laws, and if you exercise your personal liberties in ways that violate those laws, you will suffer unpleasant consequences unless you can convince a court (1) that you didn't do it; or (2) the law is not enforceable.

One way to deal with this is to use an understanding of the political process and an ability to function effectively in a political world to influence the course of legislation to (1) avoid laws that harm your interests; and (2) cause the adoption of laws that favor your interests.

On the other hand, the UOC movement illustrates (1) a gross failure to understand the political process; and (2) notable inability to function effectively in a political world.

...Screw the establishment. I hate to be like this but enough is enough.

Fine. What do you propose to do about it? What makes you think that you can be successful?

[dfletcher]

Well two thoughts come to mind .......

Lincoln's that "the way to repeal an unjust law is through strict enforcement" and it would seem the completeness of the bans would qualify. Then there's Forrest Gump's "stupid is as stupid does" for anyone who didn't see this coming a mile away nor as a desired result.

[camsoup]

Really? Then why wasn't UOC banned 30 years ago, or 5 years ago? Because nobody was dumb enough to get soccer moms riled up and give the legislature an excuse.


It's going to take a whole lot of phone calls, and letter writing, and emails to try to slow this train. We probably can't stop them from passing the ban but a lot of man hours are going to get eaten up trying.


Yes I can, it's the gun grabbers in the legislature and the UOCers that dared the legislature to ban UOC. Not that the UOCers care but many of us had long gun UOC as part of a contingency plan for bugging out - that's out the window. Thanks to the UOCers we get to pack locked gun cases while bugging out.

If your bugging out, its a WROL type event. You aren't going to lock you long gun in a case to do so. your comment had to be sarcasm right?



LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO EXTEND THE BAN ON UOC OF HANDGUNS (IN VEHICLES) INTO ANY UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY

Looks like this bill isn't only about long guns, but also cleaning up the language for handguns, and making me a criminal for laying my unloaded handgun on the tailgate/seat/etc of my truck before I have a chance to lock the case!!! Even while in any unincorporated area

(2) A person is guilty of openly carrying an unloaded handgun
when that person carries an exposed and unloaded handgun inside
or on a vehicle, whether or not on his or her person, while in or
on any of the following:
(A) A public place or, public street, public road, or public
highway in an incorporated city or city and county.
(B) A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated
area of a county or city and county.
(C) A public place in a prohibited area of a county or city and
county.
(D) Any public place or on any public street, public road, or
public highway in any part of an unincorporated area.

[Wherryj]

My rights don't depend on your opinions. The 2nd Amendment is plain as day. This is going to be a fight. Get over yourself Mr. Retired LEO. Time to fight is now. Enough is enough.

What, you think that we live in a republic or something?

[sholling]

If your bugging out, its a WROL type event.

So you're saying bugging out from a Katrina or massive earth quake are WROL situations? In what fantasy lands? What there might be are risky patches where gangs seek to profit and where just the sight of a rifle might have been handy but that's out the window now.

You aren't going to lock you long gun in a case to do so.

Thanks to the UOC fanatics I'd have to. In situations like those above there will be police checkpoints, were you planning on blasting your way through them while screaming Wolverines? The UOC fanatics are forcing law abiding citizens to take greater risks when fleeing natural disasters and for that I will never forgive them for their childish stupidity.

LOOKS LIKE THEY WANT TO EXTEND THE BAN ON UOC OF HANDGUNS (IN VEHICLES) INTO ANY UNINCORPORATED TERRITORY

Looks like this bill isn't only about long guns, but also cleaning up the language for handguns, and making me a criminal for laying my unloaded handgun on the tailgate/seat/etc of my truck before I have a chance to lock the case!!! Even while in any unincorporated area

(2) A person is guilty of openly carrying an unloaded handgun
when that person carries an exposed and unloaded handgun inside
or on a vehicle, whether or not on his or her person, while in or
on any of the following:
(A) A public place or, public street, public road, or public
highway in an incorporated city or city and county.
(B) A public street in a prohibited area of an unincorporated
area of a county or city and county.
(C) A public place in a prohibited area of a county or city and
county.
(D) Any public place or on any public street, public road, or
public highway in any part of an unincorporated area.

Gee thanks UOC fanatics.

[camsoup]

So you're saying bugging out from a Katrina or massive earth quake are WROL situations? In what fantasy lands? What there might be are risky patches where gangs seek to profit and where just the sight of a rifle might have been handy but that's out the window now.


Thanks to the UOC fanatics I'd have to. In situations like those above there will be police checkpoints, were you planning on blasting your way through them while screaming Wolverines? The UOC fanatics are forcing law abiding citizens to take greater risks when fleeing natural disasters and for that I will never forgive them for their childish stupidity.


Gee thanks UOC fanatics.

I think the fact that they now want to ban UOC of handguns in vehicles...anywhere is just them showing their true intentions. It has nothing to do with what the public thinks about the sight of a gun, it has everything to do with making sure you and I cant have one.

Unloaded Open Carriers did not ban the carrying of exposed unloaded handguns.... the legislature did. Just the same, UOC'ers wont be responsible for you ability (read, no real right anyway) to UOC your long gun, that will fall solely on the legislature if they choose to ban it.


If the state was to ban the use of plastic bags....would it be the fault of the people who choose to use those items? Would I be to blame because I like to ask for "plastic" at the grocery store?

If the state decided to ban all cars from public roads that did not get at least 30mpg...would I be to blame because I drive a truck that gets 20 mpg?

If the state said no one can own a pit bull....would I be the one to blame because I happen to like that particular breed, and walk it through my neighborhood.....and OMG down to the local Starbucks?


It is never the fault of the person doing the activity that gets it banned....some other human being as to make the decision to vote to ban or not to ban something.

[Glock22Fan]

I think the fact that they now want to ban UOC of handguns in vehicles...anywhere is just them showing their true intentions. It has nothing to do with what the public thinks about the sight of a gun, it has everything to do with making sure you and I cant have one.

Unloaded Open Carriers did not ban the carrying of exposed unloaded handguns.... the legislature did. Just the same, UOC'ers wont be responsible for you ability (read, no real right anyway) to UOC your long gun, that will fall solely on the legislature if they choose to ban it.


If the state was to ban the use of plastic bags....would it be the fault of the people who choose to use those items? Would I be to blame because I like to ask for "plastic" at the grocery store?

If the state decided to ban all cars from public roads that did not get at least 30mpg...would I be to blame because I drive a truck that gets 20 mpg?

If the state said no one can own a pit bull....would I be the one to blame because I happen to like that particular breed, and walk it through my neighborhood.....and OMG down to the local Starbucks?


It is never the fault of the person doing the activity that gets it banned....some other human being as to make the decision to vote to ban or not to ban something.

Talk about apples and turnips. What's the difference between a plastic bag and a firearm? Yes, plastic bags don't terrify sheeple.

And yes, some people find pitbulls scary. But, they might tolerate you walking one pitbull better than they'd tolerate a bunch of pitbull owners taking over the broadwalk, saying "Look, everyone loves us. No-one has come up and said they are scared!" (of course they didn't, they were running the other way panicking.)

Until you people take responsibility for your own actions, and stop saying "LALALALA, I can't hear you!" then you will get criticised.

And, as for those who say, "But we are all on the same side," there's a lot of people whose beliefs I have sympathy for, but whose methods of trying to achieve those beliefs are totally unacceptable, and that holds true here.

[guns4life]

Wow! Way to go! Let's ignore the wisdom of the ages and reduce our tactics to those the less intellectual ones amongst us tell us are the right tactics, even though we know they aren't.

Says it all, doesn't it?

Indeed...more than I think you realize, or care to.

[sholling]

I think the fact that they now want to ban UOC of handguns in vehicles...anywhere is just them showing their true intentions. It has nothing to do with what the public thinks about the sight of a gun, it has everything to do with making sure you and I cant have one.

Unloaded Open Carriers did not ban the carrying of exposed unloaded handguns.... the legislature did. Just the same, UOC'ers wont be responsible for you ability (read, no real right anyway) to UOC your long gun, that will fall solely on the legislature if they choose to ban it.

The UOCer disconnect from reality and their unwillingness to accept personal responsibility for their irresponsible actions is mind boggling. The UOC fanatics went out of their way to alienate the general public and frighten mall shoppers and for all intents and purposes dared the legislature to stop them - what part of that is too difficult to comprehend? In the end they got exactly what they wanted - more draconian laws. I hold the UOCers and the legislators that they deliberately baited equally responsible and equally reprehensible.

[CHS]

Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

I just wanted to quote that again...

[stix213]

It is never the fault of the person doing the activity that gets it banned....some other human being as to make the decision to vote to ban or not to ban something.

I can't believe someone wrote this and actually meant it.

[gazzavc]

What about the large contingent of reenactors who carry rifles in parades and public displays. Old Fort MacArthur days and Marching Through History come to mind here.

How will the Civil war boys and the WWII blokes be able to carry muskets, Garands and Enfields to the battlefields ?

Stupid, ridiculous nanny state legislation IMHO.

G