M16A1 Curio & Relic Rifle

[tozan]

FYI, if you lived in NV and had a CR ffl you could face to face transfer machine guns that are CR. You still need to do the paperwork with the batfe but you don't have to use a NFA ffl to transfer a CR.

I friend did this on a jap97. After the stamp showed up at the seller he called buyer up and they exchanged funds and machine gun in a parking lot.

It doesn't matter if it is a CR, you should be able to fill out the peperwork send it in and when it comes back hand the new owner his toy... It is better if you don't go through a dealer, if you use a dealer you will have to add another $200 into the price to cover the extra tax.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

First, I was under the impression that the US Government never surplusses automatic firearms, regardless of age. Hence the lack of M-14s for us to play with, despite their age. Second, we don't have vast stores of M16A1s. Most of them have been sold off to foriegn governments, given as foriegn aid to our allies over the years. We dumped so many on Israel back in 1972 that they are still using the A1 receivers today to rebuild their M16 family firearms. Or given to police departments and other agencies over the past 50 years. And a lot of them have been scrapped as they wore out past the point of repair. We won't ever see M16s, M4s, or anything else cool and evil looking coming out of service and being sold to the civilian market. Not unless the laws radically change. We will see non-auto parts someday. We see plenty of them today. But full auto lowers or complete guns? I'll be outside admiring the graceful flocks of migrating razorbacks filling the evening sky long before the Left ever allows that to happen here. Think of the children.

-Mb

[five.five-six]

There's no such thing as a Class III firearm. A "Class III" is a type of dealer who can deal in Title 2 firearms. A "Class II" is a type of dealer who can also manufacture Title 2 firearms. But there's no such thing as a "Class III" firearm.

Machineguns (of which the M16A1 is) are Title 2 firearms requiring NFA registration.

Yes, it would be classified as a C&R, but NFA registration still applies.

so, think: thompson m1a1

[stitchnicklas]

is the m16a1 a colt?? banned by name then.

[TangoCharlie]

is the m16a1 a colt?? banned by name then.

An "Assault Weapon" is by definition a semi-automatic. An M16A1 is a "machine gun" and is not subject to the AWB whatsoever.

It too needs special permits, but it's not and cannot be an AW.

[Cali-Shooter]

C&R machineguns, hot DAMN! Free state heaven.

[bohoki]

the only c&r nfa exceptions that i know of are the mausers and lugers with the stocks that are exempt from being SBR

there is no way they are going to add machine guns to the c&r and even if they did where are they going to come from if they here and are pre-86 they are probably spoken for and if they are out of the country there is no way they will get import approval

[Kharn]

There are other C&R SBR exemptions, Winchester made a bunch of lever action carbines with 14" barrels in the 1890s-1930s but they did not record which rifles had which barrel length when they left the factory. If you end up with one of those rifles, you can send it to the ATF, they'll check it out and see if the barrel looks original or modified, if its original they'll add your SN to the exempt list the next time they publish it and they'll ship your gun back.

Many MGs are already C&R, some states even restrict MG ownership to only allow C&R MGs. With C&Rs including every gun over 50 years old, so there is no "adding to the list" required. There are a ton of bring-back guns from WWI/WWII out there that were registered in the '68 Amnesty, plus all of the domestic production up until 1961, which included all sorts of stuff like Thompsons, BARs, 1919s, Lewis guns, etc.

[tozan]

Many MGs are already C&R, some states even restrict MG ownership to only allow C&R MGs.

What states have this C&R restriction?

[Kharn]

Michigan required it for a long time, but they revoked it in the last 2-3 years

[CHS]

there is no way they are going to add machine guns to the c&r

Machineguns over 50 years old are C&R's. Period. I think there are even a couple on the actual list that the BATFE publishes.

BUT, MG's, regardless of C&R status are STILL title 2 firearms that require NFA registration.

Basically, they have C&R status but ZERO exemptions from NFA registration and almost no other exemptions except for maybe a couple states (like for example FTF transfers after the paperwork in NV like 6172 mentioned).

[TangoCharlie]

Machineguns over 50 years old are C&R's. Period. I think there are even a couple on the actual list that the BATFE publishes.

BUT, MG's, regardless of C&R status are STILL title 2 firearms that require NFA registration.

Basically, they have C&R status but ZERO exemptions from NFA registration and almost no other exemptions except for maybe a couple states (like for example FTF transfers after the paperwork in NV like 6172 mentioned).

[dustoff31]

Machineguns over 50 years old are C&R's. Period. I think there are even a couple on the actual list that the BATFE publishes.

Yes, there are several makes/models listed.

[Kharn]

Basically, they have C&R status but ZERO exemptions from NFA registration and almost no other exemptions except for maybe a couple states (like for example FTF transfers after the paperwork in NV like 6172 mentioned).

After the Form 4 is approved, a private seller can just ship the MG and the approved form to the new owner via registered mail (very helpful in large states like Texas and Alaska), or meet in a Walmart parking lot to hand them over, in every state I can think of. If buying from a dealer, a NICS check isn't even required as the ATF already ran the buyer's finger prints.