M16A1 Curio & Relic Rifle

[Kauf]

In my last thread we were talking about C&R rifles. I was doing some research and noticed that the M16A1 entered service in 1963 and was actually designed in 1957. If (from 2013 onward) one of those rifles made in 1963 were to go up for sale it would then be C&R eligible correct? Would it not be subject to the AWB as well?? Interesting question.

[taperxz]

In this state, as the
law stands, yes

[Kauf]

In this state, as the
law stands, yes

I'm sorry Yes it would be C&R or yes it would be exempt from the AWB or both? haha

[Norsemen308]

They are classified as Class III and will never be allowed in California. In other states it may be C&R? but it will still have to be registered and tax stamped for class III

[taperxz]

They are classified as Class III and will never be allowed in California. In other states it may be C&R? but it will still have to be registered and tax stamped for class III

This^^

[taperxz]

But i would never say "never"

[leadstorm]

It would be C&R, and in another state could be purchased as such.

In California, you could not obtain it due to the AWB. The first civvy CAR-15 was the SP-1 (1964-ish), which is banned by name. The non-civvy ones were earlier but are NFA items (full auto), and you therefore couldn't have them here as a normal citizen.

[nick]

It would be a C&R. However, it will be subject to AWB (is it's semiauto), or it'll be flat out prohibited without the unobtanium dangerous weapons permit, if it's full-auto.

That's not counting that the military isn't likely to start the civilian sales of these. The government is more likely to sell them to foreign countries, or to destroy them, than to sell it to the civilians in this country.

[CHS]

They are classified as Class III and will never be allowed in California. In other states it may be C&R? but it will still have to be registered and tax stamped for class III

There's no such thing as a Class III firearm. A "Class III" is a type of dealer who can deal in Title 2 firearms. A "Class II" is a type of dealer who can also manufacture Title 2 firearms. But there's no such thing as a "Class III" firearm.

Machineguns (of which the M16A1 is) are Title 2 firearms requiring NFA registration.

Yes, it would be classified as a C&R, but NFA registration still applies.

[tozan]

There's no such thing as a Class III firearm. A "Class III" is a type of dealer who can deal in Title 2 firearms. A "Class II" is a type of dealer who can also manufacture Title 2 firearms. But there's no such thing as a "Class III" firearm.

Machineguns (of which the M16A1 is) are Title 2 firearms requiring NFA registration.

Yes, it would be classified as a C&R, but NFA registration still applies.

You sir are correct, but in FREE state many people including dealers refer to them as "Class III weapons" I was a dealer and I would here it all the time even when buying and selling to other Class III dealers, I decided it wasn't worth explaining everytime I heard it... lol

[bill_k_lopez]

I can't even get an 01FFL out of state to sell me a 1951 model 94 lever action using my C&R, I don't even bother thinking about those evil black rifles.

[Kauf]

Damn knew it was too good to be true :'(

[6172crew]

FYI, if you lived in NV and had a CR ffl you could face to face transfer machine guns that are CR. You still need to do the paperwork with the batfe but you don't have to use a NFA ffl to transfer a CR.

I friend did this on a jap97. After the stamp showed up at the seller he called buyer up and they exchanged funds and machine gun in a parking lot.

[CHS]

FYI, if you lived in NV and had a CR ffl you could face to face transfer machine guns that are CR. You still need to do the paperwork with the batfe but you don't have to use a NFA ffl to transfer a CR.

I friend did this on a jap97. After the stamp showed up at the seller he called buyer up and they exchanged funds and machine gun in a parking lot.

I knew there were some strange quirks regarding C&R machineguns, but that's neat to know! I think there are a also couple states that disallow machineguns unless they are C&R MG's. Which, with the way the FOPA is going, will soon be ALL of them

[Norsemen308]

FYI, if you lived in NV and had a CR ffl you could face to face transfer machine guns that are CR. You still need to do the paperwork with the batfe but you don't have to use a NFA ffl to transfer a CR.

I friend did this on a jap97. After the stamp showed up at the seller he called buyer up and they exchanged funds and machine gun in a parking lot.

yes so basically you can call it a C&R but the firearm is still registered to you and you have to pay a tax stamp.. its not a FTF deal...