overnight accidental felons in communistCalifornia

[TwoAsoapbox]

I hear ya man...but certain words carry bad connotation. Just so long as you (and all gun owners) dont use such terms in day to day conversation. Im not chastising you here, just trying to get people to consider the nomenclature they use, thats all.

[greybeard]

Cokebottle, please dont use the term "high cap." Thats an anti gun term popularized by the Brady Campaign and the media.

You do realize this was a term used by gunners when they first came out. I say we take it back

[repubconserv]

I hear ya man...but certain words carry bad connotation. Just so long as you (and all gun owners) dont use such terms in day to day conversation. Im not chastising you here, just trying to get people to consider the nomenclature they use, thats all.

Standard capacity (and other variants), sounds pleasant, but it is also confusing as different guns have different capacity magazines. Hi-cap(at least used on an online gun forum) is a short and sweet term used to imply 10+ and pretty much all gunners know this...

As graybeard says, lets take back our words, it should not be a queer occurrence amongst gun nuts to gaily use the term "high cap", they certainly should not be molested for doing so.

All kidding aside, it is going to be a hard fight to get back our rights, and changing words will only confuse the situation. Additionally the bradys and their ilk will point out that standard=hi cap, therefore standard is evil.

[aermotor]

Wow. This is absolutely bonkers. Thanks for the vid, have never seen this.

[Meplat]

I hear ya man...but certain words carry bad connotation. Just so long as you (and all gun owners) dont use such terms in day to day conversation. Im not chastising you here, just trying to get people to consider the nomenclature they use, thats all.

I thought this was a place I could come to get away from politically correct newspeak police.

[CalBear]

I don't think non gun owners can fully comprehend how bad the laws in this state are or have been at times. The burden the state has placed on gun owners to become damned near legal experts to have even a chance of staying within the law is incredible.

[Uxi]

I don't think non gun owners can fully comprehend how bad the laws in this state are or have been at times. The burden the state has placed on gun owners to become damned near legal experts to have even a chance of staying within the law is incredible.

California is like on that on just about everything. Ask anyone who's ever started a small business. Hell, one of my other hobbies is cars and CARB is just as byzantine and arbitrary. Granted, both of the previous two don't consign you felony convictions instead of 'just' fees and/or fines.

Sacramento needs to fall in the ocean or something. I really think the State needs to split into at least two, if not three.

[TwoAsoapbox]

I wasnt aware that "high cap" was originally a gunners term referring to any magazine over 10 rounds. Outside of CA (with the exception of a few other states) there is no need for terminology like this because they dont have restrictive mag laws on the books. Whether it used to be a positive term or not, it unfortunately carries a negative connotation by the lay person and the media. I would hope that all of us could agree that nomenclature and its general connotation is very important when talking about guns and gun rights.

Anyway, I dont want to muck up this thread with this topic but feel free to check out a thread I started called "What we say and how we say it matters." Thanks

[Cokebottle]

Many "anti" terms were hijacked from gunners.

"Assault weapon" was a marketing term that manufacturers and sales people used to refer to military-style (featured) rifles.
"Big Boomers" (large caliber handguns) made a brief appearance in promotional material a couple of years ago and was quickly grabbed by the antis.

It's not so much gun enthusiasts... it's the geniuses in the marketing departments of some manufacturers/distributors/dealers that aren't doing us any favors.

They simply can't refer to something as "gun" and "magazine"... they have to do something to make their product stand out... and sometimes standing out attracts the wrong kind of attention.

[Cokebottle]

I wasnt aware that "high cap" was originally a gunners term referring to any magazine over 10 rounds. Outside of CA (with the exception of a few other states) there is no need for terminology like this because they dont have restrictive mag laws on the books.

It may not be "needed"... but a quick browse through the CDNN catalog (and the company owner is not particularly California-friendly) shows pages of magazines referred to as "high cap" even though they may actually be standard capacity.


Where high-cap would absolutely be a "proper" term would be for 10rd mags for a 1911 (and some consider 8rd to be HC), or the +2rd mags for Glock, Beretta, etc...
I think pretty much anyone would consider the 100rd Beta-C, 90rd MWG, or the 60 and 100rd Surefire AR mags to be "high cap"