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  • AR-shogun
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Oct 2005
    • 316

    SF Chronicle Column

    Just read this today.

    Just passing it along .



    The loving arms of arms lovers
    - David Lazarus
    Sunday, February 5, 2006


    I have joined the NRA.

    Some well-meaning reader has paid $35 to buy me a one-year membership in the National Rifle Association, no doubt as a remedy for all the misguided, pro-consumer sentiment that's come to characterize this column.

    (The NRA won't say who bought me the membership, but I'm pretty sure it's one of you because The Chronicle was given as my home address.)

    So now I can proudly say my name is attached to safeguarding an industry with about $2 billion in annual sales and 150,000 employees, according to the Professional Gun Retailers Association.

    That means I enjoy a connection to the main product of this industry (guns) and to what researchers say is this product's undeniable economic impact on the United States -- a price tag of at least $100 billion annually in medical, legal and judicial costs.

    At last, I can boast that I'm part of efforts to protect people's access to a product that the federal government says is responsible for more than 30,000 deaths each year, including murders, suicides and accidents.

    Yes, my name is now associated with a commercial good that's responsible for the killing of at least eight children and teenagers every single day (a record of product efficacy, as far as young people go, that not even the tobacco industry can touch).

    Best of all, I can enjoy the full power and prestige of being one of 4 million members of what lawmakers surveyed by National Journal call the most powerful lobbying organization in Washington.

    According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the NRA has contributed more than $15 million to political interests (mostly Republican) since 1990. It reportedly spends millions more annually on so-called issue ads and other forms of propaganda.

    That investment paid off for the NRA last year when President Bush signed into law a bill protecting companies that make and sell guns from civil-liability lawsuits, including companies that negligently sell guns to criminals.

    Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president, called Congress' passage of the legislation "a historic day for the NRA and also for the Second Amendment."

    I checked. There doesn't seem to be anything in the Second Amendment about shielding negligent gun manufacturers and dealers from lawsuits.

    But let's not get bogged down in details.

    As a new NRA member, I received a letter from LaPierre welcoming me to the pro-gun fold. "Your support for the NRA is a very important commitment to the future of the Second Amendment," he says.

    It also entitles me to apply for an NRA Platinum Edition Visa Card and to receive discounts on hotel stays, rental cars and prescription drugs.

    I get a $10,000 accidental-death insurance policy for any mishaps "that occur during the use of firearms." (Not that guns kill people. People kill people. Providing they have a gun handy, that is.)

    On top of that, I get $1,000 in insurance to protect my guns against theft or accidental loss, even though it's inconceivable that a legally owned firearm could possibly end up in the wrong hands.

    Oh, wait -- here's a report from the Americans for Gun Safety Foundation showing that about 170,000 guns are stolen annually and that a study done by the Department of Justice found that 10 percent of prison inmates used a stolen gun to commit their crimes.

    Well, never mind that. The NRA's Web site tells me that "the most important benefit of NRA membership ... is the defense of your Constitutional right to keep and bear arms."

    That's what this is all about -- me.

    That's the NRA way.

    Hold it: I reported recently on Bank of America's fumbled attempt to communicate to customers a new policy regarding "cash withdrawals from deposits" that took effect last week.

    Despite misleading language and outright errors, the bank's alert on customers' statements was intended to convey that if a hold is placed on a check, BofA will have until 5 p.m. on the day the hold is to be lifted before it releases the funds in question.

    Or so a bank spokeswoman explained to me, adding that all would be made clear in subsequent statements.

    Well, those statements have gone out and, once again, BofA seems to have dropped the ball when it comes to clearly communicating a change in policy.

    "If you receive a notice that we are holding certain funds that you deposited, your notice will indicate the date and time of day that you will be able to withdraw the funds in cash," the latest missive says.

    "In some cases," it clarifies, "this will be later in the day than under Bank of America's previous policy."

    Huh? What happened to that bit about waiting until 5 p.m.? Wasn't that the whole crux of the change?

    Betty Riess, a BofA spokeswoman, said that as of Feb. 1, held funds are available on the day a hold is lifted by either 9 a.m. or 5 p.m. -- in other words, either by the opening or close of business on the day in question.

    "The date and time will be on the notification people get about the hold being placed," she said.

    So why not just say in customers' statements that held funds will be released by either 9 a.m. or 5 p.m.? Why be vague when there's only two possible times?

    "The important thing is that people look at the hold notification," Riess answered. "That's what we want people to know."

    And now, at last, you do.

    David Lazarus' column appears Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays. Send tips or feedback to dlazarus@sfchronicle.com.

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  • #2
    Charliegone
    Calguns Addict
    • Oct 2005
    • 6099

    Typical anti-gun idiot. Can't even get his facts straight and also notice his wording...

    At last, I can boast that I'm part of efforts to protect people's access to a product that the federal government says is responsible for more than 30,000 deaths each year, including murders, suicides and accidents.

    Lets see most of those death are suicides...which about 10,000 or so are by murder or any other reason. The product responsible for deaths? Its the people using them irresponsibly that causes these deaths....sigh oh well more stupid anti-gun craphead that can't get it right.


    I will vote for a donkey-sex maniac if he's pro-gun.
    -BWiese

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    • #3
      PanzerAce
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2005
      • 4262

      hmmm, sure, firearms kill 30,000 people a year, but IIRC, cars kill more. Also, he seems to do a good job ignoring any possible benefit of firearm ownership (such as 2mil + prevented assaults per year)
      "There are four boxes to be used in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury and ammo. Please use in that order"
      -Ed Howdershelt


      Originally posted by hossb7
      HK is the best $500 gun you can get for $1,000

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      • #4
        blacklisted
        Veteran Member
        • Oct 2005
        • 2608

        Don't bother arguing or debating this article. You won't convince anyone, but you will raise your blood pressure.

        This guy is a waste of oxygen and precious natural resources.

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        • #5
          tenpercentfirearms
          Vendor/Retailer
          • Apr 2005
          • 13007

          Responsible for 30,000 deaths. I can beat that, I own stock in a major car company!!!
          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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          • #6
            phish
            Veteran Member
            • Jan 2006
            • 3089

            I got y'alls beat: I work for, and own stock in a company that's responsible for downloading porn, identify theft, fraud, violent video games, downloading porn, acquiring off-list AR/AK receivers, downloading porn, talk smack about gun-grabing scumbag liberals, simulate nukes, formulate WMD, etc.



            did I mention downloading porn?

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            • #7
              Henry47
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 922

              Originally posted by phish
              I got y'alls beat: I work for, and own stock in a company that's responsible for downloading porn, identify theft, fraud, violent video games, downloading porn, acquiring off-list AR/AK receivers, downloading porn, talk smack about gun-grabing scumbag liberals, simulate nukes, formulate WMD, etc.



              did I mention downloading porn?
              so.......got any openings?

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              • #8

                Keep in mind this is comming from the communist propaganda in the Bay Area which is one of the sources of funding and support for the Kalifornia People's Socialist Party. They've decided that they know what's right for the rest of us and any views contradictory to their own should not only be discouraged but entail prison time. If you don't live your life the way they do, they'll make sure you violate 1,000 different laws and go to jail.

                Even ten years ago I would consider myself an absolute weirdo for typing what I just typed. Not anymore. If we don't get REAL serious REAL fast about RKBA and other efforts we can kiss our rights goodbye.

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                • #9
                  Supernam
                  Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 102

                  Originally posted by Charliegone
                  Lets see most of those death are suicides...which about 10,000 or so are by murder or any other reason. The product responsible for deaths? Its the people using them irresponsibly that causes these deaths....sigh oh well more stupid anti-gun craphead that can't get it right.
                  I guess he was hoping that people wouldn't realize that those who commit suicide don't do so on the basis of having access to a gun. *sigh, when will anti-gunners realize not to blame physical objects for SOCIAL problems?

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                  • #10
                    383green
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 4328

                    Originally posted by Supernam
                    *sigh, when will anti-gunners realize not to blame physical objects for SOCIAL problems?
                    I guess that the anti-gunners are too stupid, timid and/or immature to make their own decisions, take responsibility for their own actions or to comprehend that anybody else might be able to do those things, so by process of elimination it must be the guns that cause the suicides and murders.

                    Oh, and the column author is a ****.
                    They don't care about your stupid guns! --Mitch
                    Mark J. Blair, NF6X

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                    • #11
                      Shovelhead
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 38

                      Rights but only if THEY agree with them

                      Pardon this long first post on this board but this is an issue near and dear to me and all of you I am sure. The last few paragraphs contain my humble tips on "converting" libs. I hope I made the post entertaining and well written enough that you'll read it all I think my tips work.

                      Scariest thing about liberals here in the Bay area (or anywhere) is they stomp their feet and insist upon the protection of our Rights but only if they agree with those rights. They have decided only THEY get to pick which rights we all enjoy. So at the bottom of this rant I give a tip that works for me.

                      They will cut corners on reality to convince us that abortion is a constitutional right or that believing in God makes you a wacko. They will subvert attempts to appoint judges based on the abortion litmus test. They will declare that orgs like North American Man Boy Lover Assocation (NAMBLA) have a constitutional right to publish articles and tips on how to prey on young boys. In short if it is a right THEY agree with they will stop at nothing to make sure it stays.

                      Now don't get me wrong I am not some far right wing extremist I am probably more of a moderate maybe a few mils right of moderate but I do see liberals as a significant threat to our rights and the rights of avg. Joe.

                      HERE IS WHAT I DO
                      I am a Distinguished Lifetime Member of NRA and I support them but I also do one thing that I hope makes a bigger impact then my singular membership. This is what I do.

                      In my personal life if I happen to speak to a liberal about guns I stay calm and keep it light and I try to convince them to go with me, on a day of their choosing, to the range and shoot with me. Over the last 6 years I have taken probably 9 libs and or people who are anxious about guns (non gun supporters) 3 have almost immediately gone and made firearm purchases the other 6 didn't buy but a couple have returned to the range with me with the balance now not necessairly converted but they don't engage in antigun rants anymore to my knowledge. One of the purchasers actually defended guns to the liberal girlfriend of a coworker. My ex father in law (vietnam war protestor VERY liberal) now collects rifles.

                      I may not be saving the world with those numbers but I think a day at the range calmly explaining safe shooting, good patient instruction does help and gives us an opportunity to support local ranges and hopefully convince liberals that guns are not these monsterous takers of life that it is an enjoyable safe sport.

                      If you do take a liberal remember that if you go Rambo on them you will probably do more harm then good. Either rent a smaller caliber pistol or revolver or bring your smallest caliber, a .454 Casull is probably a bit much. Don't overwhelm them, keep it simple, try not to talk about how this type of round creates big gaping wounds and other stuff like that. Your job is to show them it is safe, not evil and get them in the black. I often use golf as an example of a similiar sport. Telling them their goal is to take a little "round" ball and put it accurately where you want with just a little more exciting muzzle blast, recoil etc.

                      Everyone likes to succeed. If you do it right and make it enjoyable for them you will create a mindset is at the very least more favorable to our beliefs.

                      Also one of these days hopefully we will get more aggressive (I too am guilty)
                      Next time we see an article or editorial like this we should alert this forum and everyone send a calm, well thought out rebuttal to the SF Chronicle or other paper. Remember if you do that, keep it civil and non aggressive. If you come off as an overly aggressive "gun nut" you will just validate their opinion. Calm, thought provoking rebuttals filled with facts are a great response (like someone said 2 million times a year someone protects themselves of others). I have read some rebuttals before from our side that make me cringe because the rebuttal while well meaning comes across in a way the helps them not us.

                      Use spell check and proper grammar as well. They all feel we are uneducated cretins that want to just kill kill kill. I often get lazy when responding online or via email with spelling and or grammar, this post is a great example Remember the editorial that started this thread. It is a great example of a stereotypical liberal editorial that has a ton of buzz words that make us cringe so therefore there is probably is a zero chance any of us read that and were converted. So the author spent a lot of time typing something that ONLY appeals to other liberals and the previously converted. In other words it is a waste of time. For example don't call them a communist wacko sheep. No matter how much you want to

                      Reality is we enjoy a sport and our rights THAT IS IT no evil agenda we ARE good people. Push your view off of those two points and you go a long way. A safe responsible gun owner is a friend not an enemy. Tell them how well you secure your weapons at home, tell them about how as a child you and your family enjoyed shooting sports. Avoid for the time being discussions on how "bambi" looks when you take him down. Explain to them how THEY are safer because you are a responsible gun owner that under the right circumstances might be there to protect them.

                      Remember most liberals are not evil horrible people they are often just misguided, have gotten tons of bum scoop from others that are misguided and sometimes they are the product of living here in California and hearing certain things over and over. Also remember they often think the same about us. Our job is to protect our rights and hopefully get them to understand our issue.

                      It our responsiblity to change perceptions here and to speak up with a strong vioce. A recent article showed a study that said gun owners are some of the LEAST likely people to show up and vote. Pathetic. We may not win at the ballot box here but you can bet they sure as hell know how many of us vote and the more of us that vote the less likely they are to dismiss us. Things have to change if we continue to keep our protests within the confines of forums like this we will soon find our guns taken from us. Nothing against the NRA but sometimes I feel like they have written us off here in Cali. This is our state too, We the People have to speak up we have to defend our rights and we have to ACT now.

                      Respectfully submitted,

                      Shovelhead
                      Last edited by Shovelhead; 02-06-2006, 5:02 AM.

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                      • #12
                        kick Z tail out
                        Senior Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 866

                        Wow...

                        This is nothing new... Yet everytime I hear this dribble from one of these blind-to-the-world morons it never ceases to annoy the sh** out of me. You'd think I would be used to hearing this crap, being a 26 year California native. I guess you can never truely get used to stupidity.

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                        • #13
                          mblat
                          Veteran Member
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 3326

                          Lemme see.... 8 kids a day? That would make 2500 kids a year.....

                          Then on ABC they said it is 100 kids a year... Dude doesn't even bother to learn statistic.....
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                          The essence of Western civilization is the Magna Carta, not the Magna Mac. The fact that non-Westerners may bite into the later has no implications for their accepting the former.
                          S.P. Huntington.



                          EDIT 2020: To be fair that seems to apply to many Westerners also.

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                          • #14
                            kick Z tail out
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 866

                            Originally posted by mblat
                            Lemme see.... 8 kids a day? That would make 2500 kids a year.....

                            Then on ABC they said it is 100 kids a year... Dude doesn't even bother to learn statistic.....
                            Yeah, well what do they care if what they say is true or a lie? As long as a few thousand left leaning pansies like them hears it, believes it and passes it on as truth; mission accomplished.

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                            • #15

                              Would you really expect ANYONE in San Francisco to be anything other than a Second Amendment Troll?

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