Rifle registration effects....

[NorCalK9.com]

Nail Gun. No DROS, no registration.

Please tell me if thats a real ar15 or a nail gun Im feeling mighty dumb rite now lol

[NorCalK9.com]

Police will know who's purchased a rifle after Jan 1, 2014 from a records check, so expect a request to search if you're pulled over or if they come to your home for some reason.

Not a problem for me. I have almost all the calibers I need/want (.22lr,5.56mm,6.8mm.308,.30-30,30-06) so I won't be purchasing any more long guns in this state after 2013. Too bad they'll be losing the future sales tax revenue of me upgrading.

Im with you on this one now I need to buy an AR fast and thats pretty much all I NEED!
Or move to nevada

[TRICKSTER]

It depends on the cop. When they run your name through the MDT, it'll come back showing you as a firearms owner. Depending on why they stopped you or came to you house, that might be enough suspicion (in their mind) to want to search. Whether it's a legal search is another question entirely.

That's not even close to being how the system works. It is a specific search and does not come up in a general warrant or drivers license check.
In my 30+ year career, I never, nor did I see any other officer, run a check to see if someone had weapons registered to them unless it had something to do with what we were investigating, or we were serving arrest or search warrants for something serious.

[supersonic]

Nail Gun. No DROS, no registration.

This can't be "real." There's nowhere for the nail cartridge to go. I have a hunch that is a real carbine with a very creative owner. Once he figured out that a DeWalt NiCd battery fit into the magwell, all that was left was to shoot the furniture with good old French's Mustard Yellow.


EDIT: ....aaahhh, now I get it!

[bwiese]

Practical problems...

...a knowledgable ARFcom cop says that the way records of gun reg are displayed on MDTs likely will result in long guns first then handguns, and with lots of long guns the handguns may go onto subsequent 'pages' that are not that easily fetched/indicated on an MDT.

So someone with an improperly stored handgun could get popped initially with felony CCW charges [and jail/elevated bail instead of possibly O.R.] because cop didn't see that particular handgun on the first page of MDT display, and not until mailed paperwork arrives from DOJ would this necessarily get resolved.

I am unclear if this varies from county to county/brand to brand MDT implementation or not.

[Subotai]

I'm going to preload my kids with weapons. And advocate everyone I know to do the same. Black rifles all around.

Then if the lawsuit fails, they'll only have to register anything they buy later on.

[mscales5]

Doing a DROS on a long gun like with a hand gun does have a up side. Hand guns being transfered by PPT can turn up a stolen gun if the ser. # has been reported. Not so with the long gun DROS as it stands now. A stolen long gun can be sold PPT and never show up. If they register a long gun like a hand gun, make, model, cal and serial number, then if a stolen long gun is taken to a FFL for a PPT it will show up as stolen as long as it was reported. Over the years I have had a couple stolen hand guns brought in for a PPT and received notification from the DOJ to hold the firearm.

The down side to the long gun registration is they will now know who buys what. But as far as I know they heve not changed/repealed the law on keeping the long gun information after the waiting period. As it is now all long gun info, purchase date and number purchased is destroyed after 30 days. Was the old law repealed?

[greybeard]

30 day wait between purchase of new rifles??????

Yep or even one gun a month your pick, handgun, rifle or shotgun.

[vantec08]

Please tell me if thats a real ar15 or a nail gun Im feeling mighty dumb rite now lol

ummm . . .its a prop

[fallbrook79]

[califchoate]

I may be cynical, but I fully expect that there will be a follow-up bill in the not too distant future requiring ALL long guns currently owned to be registered. After all, that's what we have with handguns.

[berto]

I may be cynical, but I fully expect that there will be a follow-up bill in the not too distant future requiring ALL long guns currently owned to be registered. After all, that's what we have with handguns.

Really?

[CaliforniaLiberal]

I may be cynical, but I fully expect that there will be a follow-up bill in the not too distant future requiring ALL long guns currently owned to be registered. After all, that's what we have with handguns.

Nuh-uh.



DOJ BOF FAQ

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php

26. How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?

There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.

When you buy a handgun in California the FFL creates a Record of Sale that goes to the CA DOJ. There is no requirement that your guns be registered or that you show proof of registration on demand. There are several legal ways that you may have come to own a handgun with no record of its sale kept at the DOJ.

There is no requirement that CA gun owners report the handguns that they owned before the current laws were passed. Don't see any reason to expect that there will ever be a requirement that long guns owned before this new law takes effect will have to be reported either.

[califchoate]

I am happy to be wrong.

[Patrick Aherne]

Practical problems...

...a knowledgable ARFcom cop says that the way records of gun reg are displayed on MDTs likely will result in long guns first then handguns, and with lots of long guns the handguns may go onto subsequent 'pages' that are not that easily fetched/indicated on an MDT.

So someone with an improperly stored handgun could get popped initially with felony CCW charges [and jail/elevated bail instead of possibly O.R.] because cop didn't see that particular handgun on the first page of MDT display, and not until mailed paperwork arrives from DOJ would this necessarily get resolved.

I am unclear if this varies from county to county/brand to brand MDT implementation or not.

It doesn't. If you run my record, you find stuff that I owned years ago and sold, but not all of my more recent purchases, they are on the second and third pages of my handguns registered to records. DOJ has problems taking out pistols that I legally transferred to another individual, the likelihood that they can successfully track what i currently own is laughable.

AR15Fan is right, though, some uninformed cop will go off the computer record, instead of the mailed, correct record and hook an illegally concealed weapon carrier for a felony.

Perhaps, CGF should inform former AG Brown of this flaw in the registration system and its unintended effects.