Gov. Brown is no fool

[Sleighter]

As someone who started out HIGHLY skeptical of Jerry Brown, let me just say this:

I'd much rather he vetoed the ammunition bill and signed off on banning UOC (which is all but meaningless for defensive purposes, anyway) than the other way around. Practicing UOC is nothing but a political statement; access and affordability of ammunition is an integral part of our favorite passtime and 2nd Amendment freedoms.

I don't know whether the UOC activity has harmed (via public opinion) or helped (via pending court cases about the right to "bear") us, but we need to keep our eyes on the prize: concealed, loaded carry.

^This. As much as I love political rhetoric, the truth is that I'm a pragmatist. All I care about is what I can and can't do at the end of the day, along with the ramifications of what I might be able to do in the future. So I'm all for keeping my eye on the prize, and to me, that isn't UOC.

[mike51392]

Sure, because he's so clear headed. He would never do something really stupid like give taxpayer dollars to illegal aliens...

yeah no **** !

[pieeater]

No problem. We'll just keep the electing the Boxers, Feinslimes, Bloombergs, Daleys, Vince Grays, Chuckie Schumers, and .... and .... and.. .. . Sure. Right.

They are all good people on our side!

[chris]

yep he's no fool but he sure fooled gun owners on this board.

[big red]

Why not go to the people to over turn these laws and impose second amendemnt freedoms in regards to ownership and carrying of firearms? Use sheriffs backing CCW's and go to gun manufactures for funding. Take the battle out of the halls of the capitol and put it on the streets with vote getters. Jerry Brown has always been anti-gun unless he needs votes and his record shows that. The capitol has always been anti-gun so why are gun activists going back to them time and time again expecting a different result. Isn't that the definition of insanity when you do the same thing time and time again while expecting different results? the politicians are not feeling threatened so they are not going to change anything.

[Bhobbs]

Why not go to the people to over turn these laws and impose second amendemnt freedoms in regards to ownership and carrying of firearms? Use sheriffs backing CCW's and go to gun manufactures for funding. Take the battle out of the halls of the capitol and put it on the streets with vote getters. Jerry Brown has always been anti-gun unless he needs votes and his record shows that. The capitol has always been anti-gun so why are gun activists going back to them time and time again expecting a different result. Isn't that the definition of insanity when you do the same thing time and time again while expecting different results? the politicians are not feeling threatened so they are not going to change anything.

Because gun owners are the minority in this state and any measures we bring up will lose bad. The people of CA for, the most part, hate guns and gun owners.

[Sunday]

Our gun rights will be legislated away a little bit by bit and we will not even care. We will be pissed but that is about it.

[Stonewalker]

Our gun rights will be legislated away a little bit by bit and we will not even care. We will be pissed but that is about it.

I'm pretty sure this has already been said in this thread, but we won't be winning in the legislature for a long time. A decade at least. The PEOPLE of CA need to changed first in order to affect change at the Capital. As we win more people to the idea of owning guns, our legislature will change but there will be a lag. This is going to be substantially easier after Heller and McDonald. In the meantime, we can only have "less bad" legislatures and we all need to be taking antis shooting.

[markm]

I can't believe the rationalization that I am reading here. I am even reading it from the leaders of this organization.

Please don't sugar-coat the fact that an enumerated right has been curtailed. Jerry may be playing chess, but it is not for our benefit. He is building his base, again.

The democrat voters on this website are to blame for the loss of more civil rights. We lost civil rights! Jerry Brown is not your friend. He will not take care of you, even if you vote for him again.

Yeah, there are Benedict Arnold republicans (we have two parties in America: the corrupt party and the stupid party; I belong to the stupid party). 99% of dems will vote to curtail 2A everytime. The vast majority of republicans will vote to enhance 2A. Look at all of the republican controlled states and their gun rights. AZ, WY, and WI are some of the most recent examples. Republican controlled states have some of the best economies and lowest unemployment rates. They have excellent roads--I know this personally.

California republicans, as a whole, did not vote for any of these bills.

Democrats are Kalifornia's problem. People who vote democrat are also the problem. Liberalism is all about controlling the people.

Rationalization combined with projection is a mental disorder.

As Brandon Combs has written before, I am a quitter. I am a quitter because I will retire to a free state as a refugee of commiefornia. I love the geography of this state; the totalitarian government sucks.

markm

[hoffmang]

You are not concerned about DROS fees being used to fund increased operation by Kami Harris' gun cops? I expect to see more border gun store and gun show stings. I expect to see more guys with family court orders getting their doors kicked in, arrested and their guns confiscated. I expect to see people who out of a poor understanding of our states overly complicated firearms laws getting arrested for prohibited person violations related to old plead bargains or hospitalizations.

Thats way worse than the UOC ban or rifle registration.

I don't car that CA took ill gotten gains from one pocket to another. The fee level is unconstitutional. Do you really think the cash was there and they weren't just trying to duck the audit?

-Gene

[Kid Stanislaus]

[QUOTE=rogervzv;7304397]Wrong. Brown is 100% against gun rights. Those of you who think that the ban on unloaded open carry will lead to a "shall issue" regime in California for carry permits are simply wrong too. All of Brown's actions evidence a deep hostility to gun rights in common with all Democrats. And these people can pass 20 anti-gun laws for every one that we get overturned or weakened in the courts, which is exactly what is happening.[QUOTE]

Your tin foil hat is fitted WAY too tight.

[Kid Stanislaus]

But don't you know? The world is divided into two, distinct, simple camps: the libs and the pro-2As.
And obviously, Brown must be a lib, therefore anti-2A.
Black and white politics. They make a lot of sense to idiots and drunks.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^

[rt66paul]

This is really simple to answer, basically if a retired PO is retired, he is no longer a PO. Thus the weapon he bought specifically for duty should not be retained. He is now just like every other citizen who must abide by the laws set forth in the state.

It takes away the "special class".

Really guys, do you even know why they call him "moonbeam"? Its not because he was "out there either" He has a ton of insight to things. Thats why he got the name "moonbeam"

Think about this, what reason could Brown POSSIBLY have for saying retired LEOs can't keep their RAWs? I'm sure he lost political points in doing so. I'm sure retired LEO are one of the last categories of people that antis worry about having such guns. I'm sure he knows that his decision had ZERO impact on public safety.

Come guys, use your noggins.

Do NOT underestimate JB. He is the smartest politician since Thomas Jefferson. I do not agree with these last moves, but I am sure that he has a plan. It may not be one we agree with, but there is one.

His stopping retired LEOs from having trump rights over regular citizens(these are NOT reserve officers, they are done with serving) These guys(and gals) are nothing special and are no different from any Californian who is a legal resident and is not a felon.

The idea that anyone is above others because of a previous career is not right. This makes it one step closer to CCW. This means that they will need to ask for one and if they are granted one, there is NO reason that anyone else should not. Now, I realize that many LEOs may not agree with this, but The rest of us should be able to have any firearm that they can possess. If there have to be firearms that citizens can not own, then only the SWAT should be able to use and train with them, and they are to be kept in the SWAT armory, not by the LEO.

This is good for any Californian that owns firearms, and those that don't also.

[The Shadow]

When California gets "Shall Issue", I'll throw a barbecue for all of the naysayers.

This is what will be on the menu.

[epilepticninja]

Keep voting Democrat and you will destroy what little gun rights we have left in California.

Not to point out the obvious, but didn't Arnold sign AB962? I don't think the Demo's are the only political party taking a dump on our rights here in the PRK.