LONG GUN REGISTRATION LAW...

[ap3572001]

Can someone please explain in plain English what does the new long gun registration law means?

How it will chenge things?

I still do not understand handgun registration..... Pre '91 , post '91 etc. There are tons of handguns and rifles that are not registered to anyone. And if they are not reported stolen , are fine to own and use by anyone.

Now they have a long gun registration....

What a mess!

[Apocalypsenerd]

It means that the paperwork you fill out when buying a LG will not be destroyed. Instead it will be used to register your long gun to you. Long guns will be treated exactly like handguns.

It also means people will be 1 step closer to confiscation.

[taperxz]

My gosh! The fail in this thread!

If you use your unregistered firearm criminally you can get an extra charge for a felony enhancement of an unregistered firearm.

[bwiese]

As taperxz pointed out, lotsa FAIL in this thread but he corrected that.

It means that the paperwork you fill out when buying a LG will not be destroyed. Instead it will be used
to register your long gun to you. Long guns will be treated exactly like handguns.

Correct. I will also note;
1.) it's from 2014 on
2.) it is only for purchases/transfers after that date
3.) existing guns you own do not have to be papered
4.) DC Circuit in Heller II held 3-0 that registration of long guns was not supportable

It also means people will be 1 step closer to confiscation.

Wrong.

I'm not defending the law, but post-Heller and post-McDonald, registration cannot equal confiscation - unless you have a prohibiting crime.

It IS something we want to fight on a general political/legal basis.

I can pretty much - for $50 - $100 paid to various data mining services - figure out to a 90+% confidence level whether or not you own any guns.
If the DOJ wanted to really get guns from prohibited people they'd look there over their sloppy database.

[ap3572001]

What about C&R???

Today You can sell Your 1957 Winchester 30-30 to a friend via cash a carry.
What about in 2014?

[a1c]

OK that makes more sense. If I commit a crime with a gun not registered, bingo extra charge. If I act in a lawful manor with an unregistered weapon , my action is still lawful.
I'm glad we had this little talk.
Mike

What are you talking about? Handguns have only had to be registered in CA in the past couple of decades. Do you actually believe that you're going to get in trouble if you defend yourself with your pre-90s handgun because it's not registered?

Please stop running those silly scenarios inside your head. Take a Valium or go to the range.

[Bruce]

How are long guns that do not have serial numbers going to be handled?

(For the uninitiated, prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act, long guns didn't have to have serial numbers. The Winchester .22 rifle I was given as a Christmas present in 1969, has no serial number.)

[taperxz]

How are long guns that do not have serial numbers going to be handled?

(For the uninitiated, prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act, long guns didn't have to have serial numbers. The Winchester .22 rifle I was given as a Christmas present in 1969, has no serial number.)

This is not voluntary or mandatory registration of currently owned long guns. It only applies to purchases made after 1/1/14

[TregoMark]

The issue of long guns without serial numbers is an interesting one. How would those be entered into the data system?

[Skoonie]

Will this effect home built guns?

[AragornElessar86]

This is not voluntary or mandatory registration of currently owned long guns. It only applies to purchases made after 1/1/14

But if he decided to sell/transfer it how would that be handled?

I know it's unthinkable, but it's starting to look like maybe Suckramento didn't really think this one through.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

The issue of long guns without serial numbers is an interesting one. How would those be entered into the data system?

They will probably do something similar to how ATF handles the same problem on the Form 4473.

Firearms manufactured after 1968 should all be marked with a serial number. Should you acquire a firearm that is not marked with a serial number: you may answer question 28 with "NSN" (No Serial Number), "N/A" or "None".

[taperxz]

But if he decided to sell/transfer it how would that be handled?

I know it's unthinkable, but it's starting to look like maybe Suckramento didn't really think this one through.

just like any other firearm you buy, buyer and seller go to ffl, do the transfer,wait 10 days and instead of DOJ discarding the paper work they will now keep it. Its really that simple.

In Browns letter he even stated, DOJ has the info anyway, instead of tossing that infor on the long gun they are now going to retain it.

Whether you like it or not, the stores you buy the long guns from anyway kept a record of your long arm purchase. It just made it more difficult for LE to search and request those records.

The silver lining to this is if the law stays in tact, if you get ripped off, if anyone tries to sell that rifle legitimately, it will come up as stolen and you will get your stolen property back. maybe!

[Jeepers]

The issue of long guns without serial numbers is an interesting one. How would those be entered into the data system?

Will this effect home built guns?

i would assume it means home built after 2014 must have paperwork sent in (volreg?), but i am just guessing this means serials will be a must from 2014 on ?

[Bruce]

This is not voluntary or mandatory registration of currently owned long guns. It only applies to purchases made after 1/1/14

Yes, I realize that. However, at some point, someone will sell an un-serialled long gun to someone else via ppt. How does DOJ propse to handle that situation?