To all the Chicken Littles on the board:

[stix213]

I can see them saying LUCC will suffice or following NY's lead and claiming that they issue to some so that's good enough. They will feed us some BS. We need a SC ruling in our favor, and they still may try to weasel out of it.

I am not convinced that AB144 changes things all that much. We now have an even stronger argument but there are no guarantees, we always have a better argument than the anti's, yet the lower courts regularly let us down.

Last night was not the end of the world, but it certainly does not fast track Shall Issue LTC.

I would be seriously surprised if Yolo even mentions that LUCC on your person is largely legal.

[Cokebottle]

Posting only to show my new signature line

Spamming your decoys again ehh?

[sighere]

AB 144 is not a loss for us. It focuses the issue and will force the courts to deal with the fact as mentioned above that Peruta and Richards relied heavily on UOC. While I don't think Gov Moonbeam did it for my benefit, I think he shot the liberal courts square in the foot on this one. (of course in his case it's probably just a negligent discharge)

[hasserl]

What's with all the defeatists out today? When SCOTUS once and for all forces loaded carry across the entire country, these attempts by the legislature to restrict it are going to just seem silly. We really didn't even lose much at all last night.

Since Yolo country already said that Unloaded Open Carry should satisfy the 2A, and the district court agreed, I really really want to see how they back pedal themselves out of that now that Unloaded Open Carry is off the table. Its going to be some serious legal ninjitsu to pull that off.

Seriously... the sense of entitlement in some posts is driving me nuts today. Lawyers aren't free, court filing are not free, appeals are not free. Even Writing letters to Sheriffs and subpoenaing documents costs money people, and CalGuns only has so much of it.

If you feel like you can demand that certain things happen, then I assume you have a receipt for the tens of thousands of dollars you donated personally to CalGuns that will pay for your demands. If not, then guess what? They have to make do with what they've got, and that means they do triage to figure out what needs to be done first.

They've got some damn fine attorneys working with them, people who have gotten results that we are all benefiting from. And other organizations like CRPA have done their best to lobby for us. But you don't win all of them all the time.

We suffered a loss, get over it. Donate what you can. If you have more time than money, I'm sure that is appreciated. IF you want to have some control over what is done and when, then get involved, go to meetings, put some effort into it. But enough with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

I agree with the OP, everyone just chill.

You see, the problem here guys is, before the election these things were discussed. We all talked about what a liberal flamer Moonbeam Brown is and what a terrible governor he would make, particularly in light of the liberal state legislature and the damage they could do together to the state. But some on here tried to tell us how pro-2A Brown is. We argued about it here, and we refuted those claims, but the pro-Brown crowd simply wouldn't listen to reason. It all reeked terribly of some kind of quid pro quo, i.e. gun owners support traded for some kind of promise that he would be supportive of gun rights. Well, the first chance Brown has to show his 2A support he fails miserably, and in the process he tossed aside all of the tools that helped to get him elected.

So yeah, we got screwed, big time, and we have a good right to be pissed off and to make some noise about it.

[stix213]

You see, the problem here guys is, before the election these things were discussed. We all talked about what a liberal flamer Moonbeam Brown is and what a terrible governor he would make, particularly in light of the liberal state legislature and the damage they could do together to the state. But some on here tried to tell us how pro-2A Brown is. We argued about it here, and we refuted those claims, but the pro-Brown crowd simply wouldn't listen to reason. It all reeked terribly of some kind of quid pro quo, i.e. gun owners support traded for some kind of promise that he would be supportive of gun rights. Well, the first chance Brown has to show his 2A support he fails miserably, and in the process he tossed aside all of the tools that helped to get him elected.

So yeah, we got screwed, big time, and we have a good right to be pissed off and to make some noise about it.

You have to look at the choice in context. The choice wasn't between Brown and some fictitious 2A purist.

The choice was between Meg, who would have signed them all except the Pro-2A bill, and Brown who vetoed the ammo registration bill while signing the Pro-2A carry license bill.

No matter what you think of Brown, we still made the correct choice between the two on election day.

[Tarn_Helm]

Rights are free. Taken, they must be paid for--by the taker, not by me.

Seriously... the sense of entitlement in some posts is driving me nuts today. Lawyers aren't free, court filing are not free, appeals are not free. Even Writing letters to Sheriffs and subpoenaing documents costs money people, and CalGuns only has so much of it.

If you feel like you can demand that certain things happen, then I assume you have a receipt for the tens of thousands of dollars you donated personally to CalGuns that will pay for your demands. If not, then guess what? They have to make do with what they've got, and that means they do triage to figure out what needs to be done first.

They've got some damn fine attorneys working with them, people who have gotten results that we are all benefiting from. And other organizations like CRPA have done their best to lobby for us. But you don't win all of them all the time.

We suffered a loss, get over it. Donate what you can. If you have more time than money, I'm sure that is appreciated. IF you want to have some control over what is done and when, then get involved, go to meetings, put some effort into it. But enough with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

I agree with the OP, everyone just chill.

Hang on now.

My RIGHTS ARE FREE.

Not bought and paid for.

Anyone who tries to take them will pay.

I charge quite dearly.

This notion that we have to buy our rights back by hiring lawyers to shuffle papers IS the MOTHER****ING PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

"A bill of rights may be considered, not only as intended to give law, and assign limits to a government about to be established, but as giving information to the people. By reducing speculative truths to fundamental laws, every man of the meanest capacity and understanding may learn his own rights, and know when they are violated . . . ." St. George Tucker (See U.S. Constitutional scholar Stephen Halbrook's article on this topic.)

Is that loud and clear enough?

"Keep and bear" means "own and carry."

"Keep and bear" does NOT mean "own if you register and carry if some official clown will issue you a fake 'permit'."

Brown is simply proving himself to be the traitor most of us always knew he would be.

Admit it.

[Cokebottle]

My RIGHTS ARE FREE.

Not bought and paid for.

Oh no... they were bought and paid for quite dearly with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

[radioburning]

Seriously... the sense of entitlement in some posts is driving me nuts today. Lawyers aren't free, court filing are not free, appeals are not free. Even Writing letters to Sheriffs and subpoenaing documents costs money people, and CalGuns only has so much of it.

If you feel like you can demand that certain things happen, then I assume you have a receipt for the tens of thousands of dollars you donated personally to CalGuns that will pay for your demands. If not, then guess what? They have to make do with what they've got, and that means they do triage to figure out what needs to be done first.

They've got some damn fine attorneys working with them, people who have gotten results that we are all benefiting from. And other organizations like CRPA have done their best to lobby for us. But you don't win all of them all the time.

We suffered a loss, get over it. Donate what you can. If you have more time than money, I'm sure that is appreciated. IF you want to have some control over what is done and when, then get involved, go to meetings, put some effort into it. But enough with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

I agree with the OP, everyone just chill.

+174jd32j1o442!!!

The "right people" have been kicking arse and taking names for years now, fighting hard to win back our rights, they're saying this is better than it looks on the surface, and CG is still full of crybabies demanding this and demanding that while questioning the way things get done.

Way to show an understanding of the battle being fought, and gratitude to the people doing the fighting for you.

[taperxz]

Spamming your decoys again ehh?

LOL NO! I'm talking about Brandons quote in my sig line. Guess I mucked that up. Decoys have been on there so long I forgot. LOL

[sandman21]

This is not the end of the world. Please read through the many Richards and Peruta threads in the forum, and realize that now that AB144 has passed, it changes the whole lower court's reasoning. Court cases and briefs are in the process of being written and filed. Look for more information from all the right people in the next about these filings. Until then, take some muscle relaxants to keep your knees from jerking.

Yet none of the "right people" are celebrating the passage and before it passed vehemently opposed it, all the while some thought it would be great for it to pass. Hmmmmmm makes me think it was bad that it passed.

I think infringing on anyone's rights is bad and should be viewed as such, but I guess some are fine with the state them how to protest and to wear while petitioning their elected officials. Guess the state should ban red shirts, they are bad.

[wildhawker]

If you actually live this mantra, then I presume you LOC without a license wherever you want.

What's that - you're not?

Looks like your rights AREN'T free, either.

Admit it.

-Brandon

Hang on now.

My RIGHTS ARE FREE.

Not bought and paid for.

Anyone who tries to take them will pay.

I charge quite dearly.

This notion that we have to buy our rights back by hiring lawyers to shuffle papers IS the MOTHER****ING PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW.

"A bill of rights may be considered, not only as intended to give law, and assign limits to a government about to be established, but as giving information to the people. By reducing speculative truths to fundamental laws, every man of the meanest capacity and understanding may learn his own rights, and know when they are violated . . . ." St. George Tucker (See U.S. Constitutional scholar Stephen Halbrook's article on this topic.)

Is that loud and clear enough?

"Keep and bear" means "own and carry."

"Keep and bear" does NOT mean "own if you register and carry if some official clown will issue you a fake 'permit'."

Brown is simply proving himself to be the traitor most of us always knew he would be.

Admit it.

[ke6guj]

I would be seriously surprised if Yolo even mentions that LUCC on your person is largely legal.

LUCC has already been mentioned by LCAV in the Yolo case, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...19#post7251019

[taperxz]

If you actually live this mantra, then I presume you LOC without a license wherever you want.

What's that - you're not?

Looks like your rights AREN'T free, either.

Admit it.

-Brandon

Better yet, Freedom isn't free! Whether through blood, money, sweat or tears.

[Temporaryscars]

States can enact laws related to various constitutional rights, and if/when challenged in court they are analysed based on various levels of scrutiny. This is a much discussed topic on this forum, and the level of scrutiny a gun law is analysed under is very important for determining constitutionality. You should be able to find several threads on the topic that go in depth.

A state can require a permit to stage a large protest march, that they have to issue without political bias for example, and that's so far considered ok as far as the 1A goes. The 2A version of that is not even written yet, which is why as we keep winning there is obviously going to be attempts at a push back (which is what is happening in the CA legislature).

Right, but look at past examples where similar laws have been passed. There have been lawsuits, but in the end, the scotus has always sided with the state. I'm not saying that's going to happen here, but if you look at the track record for what has happened in the past, the outlook doesn't really look good for you guys.

Still, my fingers are crossed. I have little faith that our governments, both at a state and federal level, will use common sense and do the right thing.

[wildhawker]

Better yet, Freedom isn't free! Whether through blood, money, sweat or tears.

I'll gladly donate time and treasure today to avoid a bloody civil war tomorrow.

-Brandon