To all the Chicken Littles on the board:

[Smokeybehr]

This is not the end of the world. Please read through the many Richards and Peruta threads in the forum, and realize that now that AB144 has passed, it changes the whole lower court's reasoning. Court cases and briefs are in the process of being written and filed. Look for more information from all the right people in the next about these filings. Until then, take some muscle relaxants to keep your knees from jerking.

[taperxz]

Posting only to show my new signature line

[orangeusa]

I agree. I do love how the fokls in the know take a lemon and turn it into lemonade. I'm serious. You change your battle plans or have contingencies for a lot of these types of votes/laws enacted... We got some smart folks on our side! Give em hell CGF!

(@taperxy - postwhore - selling your mallard decoys).

[radioman]

who said the sky is falling?

[mrdd]

The sky is falling? OMG!

Actually, it is raining today - Time to get an umbrella!

[G60]

who said the sky is falling?

The entire first page of the 2A forum.

[galactusnt]

Hardly. But I damn well better see some major core rights cases, injunctions, whatever, come down the pike in short order. When the dust settles I beter be able to walk the length and breadth of California with any damn handgun I want, with any damn magazine size, in at least one form of carry without needing a computer to gps my path to avoid school zones and a permission slip from the damn Sheriff. (Especially here in San Diego).

[mag360]

there is a LOT of unfamiliar names posting in here today.

hello!

where were you the past year?

what have you done to help?

[stix213]

What's with all the defeatists out today? When SCOTUS once and for all forces loaded carry across the entire country, these attempts by the legislature to restrict it are going to just seem silly. We really didn't even lose much at all last night.

Since Yolo country already said that Unloaded Open Carry should satisfy the 2A, and the district court agreed, I really really want to see how they back pedal themselves out of that now that Unloaded Open Carry is off the table. Its going to be some serious legal ninjitsu to pull that off.

[jrr]

Seriously... the sense of entitlement in some posts is driving me nuts today. Lawyers aren't free, court filing are not free, appeals are not free. Even Writing letters to Sheriffs and subpoenaing documents costs money people, and CalGuns only has so much of it.

If you feel like you can demand that certain things happen, then I assume you have a receipt for the tens of thousands of dollars you donated personally to CalGuns that will pay for your demands. If not, then guess what? They have to make do with what they've got, and that means they do triage to figure out what needs to be done first.

They've got some damn fine attorneys working with them, people who have gotten results that we are all benefiting from. And other organizations like CRPA have done their best to lobby for us. But you don't win all of them all the time.

We suffered a loss, get over it. Donate what you can. If you have more time than money, I'm sure that is appreciated. IF you want to have some control over what is done and when, then get involved, go to meetings, put some effort into it. But enough with the "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

I agree with the OP, everyone just chill.

[Temporaryscars]

Haven't there already been scotus rulings that give states the power to "tweak" our rights ever so slightly? That's the argument that has always been used in the past. Unless it's an outright ban, then the chances of an overturn are slim to none.

Sorry to be pessimistic, but hey, I'm just callin' it as I see it.

[ElvenSoul]

You guys really thought he would VETO! Come on how long ya been a 2A Supporter? Don't you know we have to sue their a@@es in court to get any rights.

[ckprax]

What's with all the defeatists out today? When SCOTUS once and for all forces loaded carry across the entire country, these attempts by the legislature to restrict it are going to just seem silly. We really didn't even lose much at all last night.

Since Yolo country already said that Unloaded Open Carry should satisfy the 2A, and the district court agreed, I really really want to see how they back pedal themselves out of that now that Unloaded Open Carry is off the table. Its going to be some serious legal ninjitsu to pull that off.

I can see them saying LUCC will suffice or following NY's lead and claiming that they issue to some so that's good enough. They will feed us some BS. We need a SC ruling in our favor, and they still may try to weasel out of it.

I am not convinced that AB144 changes things all that much. We now have an even stronger argument but there are no guarantees, we always have a better argument than the anti's, yet the lower courts regularly let us down.

Last night was not the end of the world, but it certainly does not fast track Shall Issue LTC.

[stix213]

Haven't there already been scotus rulings that give states the power to "tweak" our rights ever so slightly? That's the argument that has always been used in the past. Unless it's an outright ban, then the chances of an overturn are slim to none.

Sorry to be pessimistic, but hey, I'm just callin' it as I see it.

States can enact laws related to various constitutional rights, and if/when challenged in court they are analysed based on various levels of scrutiny. This is a much discussed topic on this forum, and the level of scrutiny a gun law is analysed under is very important for determining constitutionality. You should be able to find several threads on the topic that go in depth.

A state can require a permit to stage a large protest march, that they have to issue without political bias for example, and that's so far considered ok as far as the 1A goes. The 2A version of that is not even written yet, which is why as we keep winning there is obviously going to be attempts at a push back (which is what is happening in the CA legislature).

[Term]

You guys really thought he would VETO! Come on how long ya been a 2A Supporter? Don't you know we have to sue their a@@es in court to get back our rights.

Fixed it for you.