There will NOT be Shall Issue CCW in CA. Give it up.

[Wild Squid]

Disclaimer: Do not accuse me of being left wing or from the Brady camp. I'm simply a realist and have given up on the 2A fight. Also, I have more guns than you have money.

I think with the recent signing into law making it illegal to carry unloaded in the open, many of you think this is some kind of gateway to Shall Issue CCW. Especially with the Standardization of CCW application processes right? Wrong. I do not believe the "Standardization" will make it much easier for the average Joe Schmoe to get a CCW. It will probably require a guideline of Good Cause that Sheriffs can easily use to still deny the majority that apply. CA will never have Shall Issue, because the People don't want it. Until that changes, no amount of legislation will ever force CA to do what it doesn't want to do. I said it here first.

[G60]

It's not going to be legislation the changes the process. Thanks, bye.

[Gray Peterson]

Disclaimer: Do not accuse me of being left wing or from the Brady camp. I'm simply a realist and have given up on the 2A fight. Also, I have more guns than you have money.

I think with the recent signing into law making it illegal to carry unloaded in the open, many of you think this is some kind of gateway to Shall Issue CCW. Especially with the Standardization of CCW application processes right? Wrong. I do not believe the "Standardization" will make it much easier for the average Joe Schmoe to get a CCW. It will probably require a guideline of Good Cause that Sheriffs can easily use to still deny the majority that apply. CA will never have Shall Issue, because the People don't want it. Until that changes, no amount of legislation will ever force CA to do what it doesn't want to do. I said it here first.

You have no evidence or facts to back up your claim.

[Shenaniguns]

You're wrong, there is some areas that are nearly "Shall Issue" like Sacramento County for example.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

I am happy that you feel that way. But the Big Brains that have been working on this strategy for the past several years, and spending big bucks to do so seem to think otherwise. You can nay-say all you like, it is a free country. But don't expect a bunch of us to jump up and down and decide that you are right. Yes, yoou said it on here. Good for you. But when we get shall issue LTC, will you stand by this statement?

-Mb

[wash]

I agree that a UOC won't help get us shall issue but I don't think we need help.

The CGF LTC sunshine initiative has already forced a couple counties to go virtual shall issue and hopefully the Richards case (formerly Sykes) will force the rest of them soon.

Don't be so pessimistic.

[BigDogatPlay]

There is little to no intent that I can see to force anything by legislation in California. Forcing more equitable remedies by litigation, however, seems to be very much in the cards.

If you want to give up, that's your choice. I'll continue to fight, thanks very much.

[mag360]

just diggin in deeper over here. Kthxbye. We won't miss your white flag waving whining rear end anyways.

[taperxz]

WOW, is this a news flash?

I already have "shall issue" for self defense as MANY Californians do!!

[taperxz]

There is little to no intent that I can see to force anything by legislation in California. Forcing more equitable remedies by litigation, however, seems to be very much in the cards.

If you want to give up, that's your choice. I'll continue to fight, thanks very much.

But in a different way legislation did help and will help! See Richards

[zhyla]

No, no, he's right, let's just give up.

Hahahahhaahhahahahahahahahahahahah.

[mosinnagantm9130]

[Gray Peterson]

I am happy that you feel that way. But the Big Brains that have been working on this strategy for the past several years, and spending big bucks to do so seem to think otherwise. You can nay-say all you like, it is a free country. But don't expect a bunch of us to jump up and down and decide that you are right. Yes, yoou said it on here. Good for you. But when we get shall issue LTC, will you stand by this statement?

-Mb

I already have a steak dinner bet with bulgron going on. Wild squid is afflicted with BGOS.

[Connor P Price]

Gene? Brandon? WTF guys? You never told us about this. I want my money back. Somebody on the internet said we won't get shall issue, and anything on the internet is true.

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[Doheny]

In a way the OP is correct. We may never have it as a 'right.' Those of you that think your county is shall issue now or your county accepts self defense as a GC could be in for a surprise at the next sheriff election. It could go away overnight just like it did in Orange County.


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