Question about selling AK receivers

[maccmill]

So you can buy and sell the flat receivers without an FFL or serial numbers etc etc right? But as soon as you bend them and drill the holes they're considered a firearm.. If I were to buy the flats in bulk for cheap, then sell them (collect money) while they are flats, then charge people to bend and heat treat them would I be legal?

Thanks in advance for any help on this.

[jamesob]

No, the bending and drilling has to be done by the one is going to own the weapon. If you bend it for them that would make you a mfg.

[morrcarr67]

No, the bending and drilling has to be done by the one is going to own the weapon. If you bend it for them that would make you a mfg.

Correct. And, manufacturing firearms with out a license is a Federal felony.

[Mesa Tactical]

Correct. And, manufacturing firearms for sale with out a license is a Federal felony.

I think this is more specifically accurate.

[timdps]

If I were to buy the flats in bulk for cheap, then sell them (collect money) while they are flats, then charge people to bend and heat treat them would I be legal?

You would need a manufacturing FFL (07).

[morrcarr67]

You would need a manufacturing FFL (07).

Yes. If they take 80% or less receivers and complete them they would need a 07 FFL as a Manufacturer.

[morrcarr67]

I think this is more specifically accurate.

You are correct Sir.

Anyone may build their own firearm with the intent of keeping it and no license is required.

However, if you choose to sell it @ a later date you would need to comply with somethings that a 07 FFL would need to. Like applying a serial number to the firearm you're selling.

[CHS]

However, if you choose to sell it @ a later date you would need to comply with somethings that a 07 FFL would need to. Like applying a serial number to the firearm you're selling.

I'm pretty sure that's not actually true. The BATFE maintains that it is true, but can't cite the law to back it up. The laws regarding marking a receiver apply to licensed manufacturers, (Or anyone applying to "make" a firearm under the NFA), not individuals.

Think of this. You build a firearm. It has no markings. This is lawful. You die (tragic, but this is hypothetical). The firearm needs to be transferred out of your estate to someone. Who marks the gun now? Why would they mark the gun? It's perfectly legal for FFL's to transfer unmarked guns due to many pre-68 firearms not even having serial numbers at all.

[morrcarr67]

I'm pretty sure that's not actually true. The BATFE maintains that it is true, but can't cite the law to back it up. The laws regarding marking a receiver apply to licensed manufacturers, (Or anyone applying to "make" a firearm under the NFA), not individuals.

Think of this. You build a firearm. It has no markings. This is lawful. You die (tragic, but this is hypothetical). The firearm needs to be transferred out of your estate to someone. Who marks the gun now? Why would they mark the gun? It's perfectly legal for FFL's to transfer unmarked guns due to many pre-68 firearms not even having serial numbers at all.

Good point. Thanks for adding to my knowledge base.

[maccmill]

Ok thanks guys, I guess that makes sense, regardless I will continue to ask for any suggestions on how to work around this issue.. so say for instance that I sell "flats" for $70 then, and as a friend I "help" bend and heat treat the flats without charging anything for "labor" and just do it as a friendly friend to friend gesture.

[SJgunguy24]

Ok thanks guys, I guess that makes sense, regardless I will continue to ask for any suggestions on how to work around this issue.. so say for instance that I sell "flats" for $70 then, and as a friend I "help" bend and heat treat the flats without charging anything for "labor" and just do it as a friendly friend to friend gesture.

The term "help" in this sitiation to me says your trying to skirt getting a license. If you want to truly help them then you can direct but they still need to do the bulk of the work.

[CHS]

Ok thanks guys, I guess that makes sense, regardless I will continue to ask for any suggestions on how to work around this issue..

Felonies aren't cool dude. Knock it off.

[CSACANNONEER]

Ok thanks guys, I guess that makes sense, regardless I will continue to ask for any suggestions on how to work around this issue.. so say for instance that I sell "flats" for $70 then, and as a friend I "help" bend and heat treat the flats without charging anything for "labor" and just do it as a friendly friend to friend gesture.

As someone who has helped "one or two" (OK, three to four hundred and that's not an exageration, over 12 build parties with 30-50 builders at each one) people manufacture their own firearms, I've gotta say that your idea is one I'm not even comfortable joking about. Either get an 07FFL, pay the taxes associated with manufacturing firearms for sale and charge people accordingly or stop thinking about this all together. People like you are going to ruin it for all of us honest homebuilders.

The fact is that you can not provide free or paid labor to manufacture someone else's homebuilt firearm. It's that simple, they have to do their own work or you need an 07FFL.

[Mesa Tactical]

Get an 07. Why all this dancing around?