Crossroads of West no CCW allowed for the sake of safety?!?

[Kid Stanislaus]

What's CCW?

Crows, cows & wallabys!

[gunsmith]

I saw the sign in Reno and asked if they had a clearance barrel, nope. So I cleared leather took out the mag and ejected the round while explaining it was far more dangerous to do that then simply leave it in the holster. Its a drage but its important to attend gun shows, we cant let the fascist close them down & eliminate free speech of gunnies.

[mdimeo]

If you can't trust me at a "Gun Show", then how the heck can you trust me at a day care, or a school or the streets of San Francisco.

At a day care, school, or on the street, you're very unlikely to see a holster you think would be comfy, pull out your carry weapon and try it out. Or a nice, stiff gunbelt to replace the cheap dress belt you've been making do with.

You're unlikely to see your shooting buddy on the street and decide it would be a great place to show off the new pearl grips you just installed.

At the day care center, you'd have to be a total idiot to clear leather. At a gun show, you're just being sloppy.

By "you", of course, I don't mean you. You're awesome and careful. But that other guy over there? The one who keeps patting his pocket and hitching up his pants while shopping for a holster? That's the guy I mean.

If I ran a gun show, ND's are what would keep me awake at night. I don't blame 'em. I think making people unload at the gate is probably more dangerous than letting them in loaded, but their choice is reasonable.

[Bolt2Bounce]

There was a N.D. at the SHOT SHOW in sin city.. last year (may have been two years ago..now) and it WAS A LEO... I would trust an average LEO less with a Loaded firearm than many of my friends and fellow cal gunners.. I've shot with LEO most are not gun people.. sad to say.... and many manage to plug them self's or their wall locker on a regular basis.. BUT I don't like the language.. of cross roads either.. but it IS nice to still have gun shows..in CA... and trust me if something went down at a show there would be a lot of loaded guns appear out of thin air.. PDQ B2B

[Utha Schleigle]

MY OPINION

It would be against the agreement of the INSURANCE CARRIER for the gun show - for the gun show operator to allow any person to enter the gun show with a loaded gun.
: { law enforcement on duty for show and show security exempt }

Most other aspects have covered. As of a matter of TRUST - I TRUST NO ONE - not even myself.

I was in the hall at Orange County Fair grounds during the gun when a pistol went off as a guy was looking at it. The gun was on a vendors table. No one was hurt. Now guns must have a zipp tie in the action - so no one can load the gun for you.

But back to subject - for the length of time I am inside the gun show - I can abstain from carriering a loaded gun.

[Mesa Tactical]

But their stated reason, in front of God and everybody as posted on the world wide web, is that a legally licensed permit holder entering their show with his or her concealed firearm, increases the danger to the show going going public.

It does. Consider a purely statistical argument, based on probabilities: the chances of some dumbass pulling out his carry weapon and executing an ND are far, far greater than the chances of some bad guys attempting an assault or robbery that needs to be countered with deadly force.

It would be very difficult for you to argue against that, in light of the numerous NDs at gunshows, compared to the very few assaults or robberies that occur at gunshows.

Many gun stores have similar rules against on-site LTC for precisely the same reason.

If people are really bothered about it, one easy solution (outside California, of course) is to LTC and simply KEEP THE WEAPON CONCEALED.

That's not so hard to do.

If your carry weapon is discovered, the promoters can kick you out, but how in the world will they ever find out you are carrying?

SHOT show and firing pins. I've been to the last two SHOT shows, and have encountered a number of weapons that did have firing pins in them. I tend to think they spot check and hope that the statistics work out a nice high number for the level of confidence. I don't think there is enough time to check every firearm for a 4 day show, but if someone knows/have better facts, feel free to chime in.

They do indeed check every single booth, but it takes them several days. It's not something they can do before the show because the vendors don't have all their firearms out. And even when they show up for the inspections (during show hours, while booth staff are serving attendees), it's easy for them to miss some firearms, especially those that are not currently on display or those that are being fondled by attendees.

Of course, during the course of the show, some vendors will take guns out and bring different guns in. There's nothing really rigorous about the inspections except that, so far as I can tell, they do manage to hit every booth, eventually. Just not every firearm.

We bring a number of shotguns to every show and since removing the firing pins is a hassle, we just remove the bolts. So it's easy for the inspectors to see that we are in compliance; takes them about five minutes to check us out and tag us. I don't know how long it takes for them to look for firing pins in a booth with 50 firearms (during show hours!), but it must be a real pain in the neck.

[FLIGHT762]

In my reading of 12071.4 (g), there is no exemption for retired L/E.

<snip>
(g) No person at a gun show or event, other than security
personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time
both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the
firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or
exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.

[speeder]

All I want to know is, Do they still have the clear jar with that same old ammo that is claimed to "recently" been removed frome firearms that were claimed unloaded?

[Bolt2Bounce]

In my reading of PC12071.4 I see rampant disregard to the rules at almost every gun show I've been to.. in regards to ammo being in the open and not in the original closed containers... it's a nanny state.. B2B

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Any LEO's reading this thread, and do you carry concealed into gun shows? 12071.4 appears to exempt LEO's but private venues can still restrict loaded firearms as they see fit, if my understanding is correct.

And by the way, "gun" shows have fallen way off the mark since the good old days of the Pomona fairgrounds days. It is now really just a beef jerky and stun gun fest with a few gun stores just selling firearms at regular retail prices anyway.