Gov Brown's Newsroom - Check for Vetoes

[huntercf]

Registered OLLs...
Long Gun Registration ruled unconstitutional in DC last week.
DROS is now a tax and not a fee.
Carry license reform.
Excuse for not granting carry licenses destroyed.

I love it when a plan comes together!



-Gene

Gene, I have to admire your optimism, I don't share it because PRK continues to beat us down, so I pray that my pessimism is misplaced.
So when do you think they are going to have us vote on this new tax?

[bob7122]

Why is DROS as a tax good? What excuses for not granting LTC have been eliminated?

i am guessing the DROS as a tax=good because you can't raise the price on DROS fees. it has to be just enough to pay for what it was intended to do, which is to cover the cost of what a DROS does.


because now they can't say, "you have UOC, you don't need LTC." we no longer have UOC, thus we HAVE to have LTC since no other option is legally viable.

[crackerman]

So CCW is good because it keeps the 58 Sherrifs from holding LTCs hostage with fees and now they have to play only with good cause right?

[spgripside]

Registered OLLs...
Long Gun Registration ruled unconstitutional in DC last week.
DROS is now a tax and not a fee.
Carry license reform.
Excuse for not granting carry licenses destroyed.

I love it when a plan comes together!



-Gene

I do like lemonade. I'm still pissed off.

[CMonfort]

The DROS bill will necessarily and immediately be challenged in the NRA's Harris v. Bauer case. If anyone doesn't understand the DROS issue or SB 819, I recommend reading the NRA's alert in that case on www.calgunlaws.com or reading the complaint in that case.

Everyone knows how AB 144 will be used agaist the other side in the current LTC cases (SAF/CGF & NRA/CRPAF).

SB 427 was vetoed as a result of the NRA's Parker v. CA case from last year that overturned AB 962 and is currently being appealed.

Obviously it certainly would have been nice if AB 809 wasn't signed. But at the end of the day, two of the three bills that were signed aren't the end of the world. They become part of litigation that was already set in motion. So while those cases are litigated, enjoy purchasing all of your ammo over the internet and in stores without leaving a thumbprint. Lets see how litigation plays out regarding long gun registration.

The pro 2A bill on his desk was signed.

And if any of you need another reason to look on the bright side, consider this: De Leon introduced 3 anti-gun bills this session (SB 124, SB 427, and SB 798). As of midnight tonight, ZERO of those bills became law.

[santacruzstefan]

There was an argument in the case Michel and Associates filed that the DROS fees were fees and not taxes. Now that the DROS fees are used for other stuff, it's clear they are taxes and thus unconstitutional.

In both carry cases, the judges ruled that since you could UOC in urban California you had an alternate means of self defense in public. Now you don't. Heh.

Absolutely nothing. Only new long guns that are DROSed will have their serial numbers retained in AFS. If you bend your own flat, no DROS. If you buy a bent receiver, the DROS will retain the serial number just like your handguns.

-Gene

Ah, I get it now. Well, this might work out in the end, after all. Sure would be nice if they would do away with the moral character/ good cause part of CCWs, though.

[IPSICK]

I do like lemonade. I'm still pissed off.

The lemonade ain't made yet. Besides, this is more like sun tea. Takes some time to brew properly.

[huntercf]

So CCW is good because it keeps the 58 Sherrifs from holding LTCs hostage with fees and now they have to play only with good cause right?

And what good cause will require them to issue LTC's? I see them saying they will now issue but since no one has a good cause then they will still be able to deny them.

[puppy8a9]

Registered OLLs...
Long Gun Registration ruled unconstitutional in DC last week.
DROS is now a tax and not a fee.
Carry license reform.
Excuse for not granting carry licenses destroyed.

I love it when a plan comes together!



-Gene

Did I ever tell you how much I love you guys! http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/i...ilies/kilt.gif

Too bad most ends up needing litigated. Anything you guys need please tell me. Need to speak to you off list one day.

[Gray Peterson]

Why is DROS as a tax good? What excuses for not granting LTC have been eliminated?

The first part, Bauer v. Harris

Second, the Peruta and Richards judges essentially ruled that un-functional firearms carry is A-OK under the 2nd amendment "Bear" provision. We know this to be obviously wrong, and in fact, it is widely believed that even if UOC were banned, the District Courts would have ruled against us anyway the first round (see the numerous other cases in concealed carry only states such as NY).

The Circuit Courts is a different question all together. If they screw up at that level, we can take it to SCOTUS.

[hoffmang]

Obviously it certainly would have been nice if AB 809 wasn't signed. But at the end of the day, two of the three bills aren't the end of the world.

AB 809 is the only bummer in the pile really. Certainly I'd overall prefer that UOC not be banned. However, it will get us all to loaded carry faster and then the whole "substantially concealed" issue will rear it's hilarious head.

This year certainly beats "Republican" Governor Ahnold and his Microstamping and Lead Ammo bans...

-Gene

[CSDGuy]

Registered OLLs...
Long Gun Registration ruled unconstitutional in DC last week.
DROS is now a tax and not a fee.
Carry license reform.
Excuse for not granting carry licenses destroyed.

I love it when a plan comes together!



-Gene

Gov. Brown and the current Legislature are the modern equivalent of King George and his Parliament. Tyrants must be disposed of.

While I'm just speculating... ever consider that Gov. Brown is playing chess too? I figure that by signing the Long Gun registration, he just made it VERY easy to create a circuit split... You see he knows politics. This way he can appease his base while still driving a pro-gun agenda. Turning the DROS Fee into a tax should have it's own consequences that probably aren't good for the DROS tax. From what I recall of the UOC bill, UOC is still legal in this state... it's just now only legal to UOC in the same places that you can LOC without a permit/license to do so.

If he's as pro-gun as I suspect he really is, he might actually be looking for ways to make it so California can't do stuff like this ever again... Remember, chess...

[NorCalDustin]

Why is DROS as a tax good? What excuses for not granting LTC have been eliminated?

Thats what I'm wondering..


Edit.... Interesting... Good points...

[hoffmang]

While I'm just speculating... ever consider that Gov. Brown is playing chess too? I figure that by signing the Long Gun registration, he just made it VERY easy to create a circuit split... You see he knows politics. This way he can appease his base while still driving a pro-gun agenda. Turning the DROS Fee into a tax should have it's own consequences that probably aren't good for the DROS tax. From what I recall of the UOC bill, UOC is still legal in this state... it's just now only legal to UOC in the same places that you can LOC without a permit/license to do so.

If he's as pro-gun as I suspect he really is, he might actually be looking for ways to make it so California can't do stuff like this ever again... Remember, chess...

Mark my words that I hesitated to point out Heller II to him...

-Gene

[Purple K]

Registered OLLs...
Long Gun Registration ruled unconstitutional in DC last week.
DROS is now a tax and not a fee.
Carry license reform.
Excuse for not granting carry licenses destroyed.

I love it when a plan comes together!



-Gene

I certainly hope that your "plan comes together" in far less than two weeks.