I almost got a question wrong on the HSC...test is faulty.

[Meplat]

Not all guns are legally defined as "Firearms", I'm not sure if C&R's are or not. Even so would the brother not be an intra family transfer?

No I remeber that one, and I thought about the exepmtion for the +50 year old long gun, but I gave the answer they wanted anyway...

I think the idea of failing the test while actually giving the correct answers from the PC, then suing is an awesome idea!

[aklover_91]

Not all guns are legally defined as "Firearms", I'm not sure if C&R's are or not. Even so would the brother not be an intra family transfer?

A brother would not be an intrafamily transfer. They can go up and down the family tree, not left or right, if that makes any sense.

[Cokebottle]

When my wife picked up her new SP101 in .327 Fed Magnum, they didn't have any .32 snap caps, so they made her pretend she was loading and unloading it!

When I picked up my Heritage .22lr, while my guy was getting the paperwork together, I showed another salesman and a customer (who was trying to do the demonstration) an "easy" way to rack the slide on her new Highpoint (and that thing has a TIGHT slide!).

My guy looked at the back counter, looked at me and the Highpoint, and said "You can handle this gun" and wrapped it up.

[Anchors]

Not all guns are legally defined as "Firearms", I'm not sure if C&R's are or not. Even so would the brother not be an intra family transfer?

C&R are firearms. Pre-1900 are antiques/not firearms.
Simple.

When I picked up my Heritage .22lr, while my guy was getting the paperwork together, I showed another salesman and a customer (who was trying to do the demonstration) an "easy" way to rack the slide on her new Highpoint (and that thing has a TIGHT slide!).

My guy looked at the back counter, looked at me and the Highpoint, and said "You can handle this gun" and wrapped it up.

PM'd

[doug4747]

When people ask me if the test is hard, I usually respond with the question " Can you tie your shoes and not hurt yourself or someone else?" they smile and answer yes, then I tell them" your smart enough to pass the test" I warn them not to over think it and read each question all the way through. So far everyone I've given the test has passed with flying colors. If in doubt go through the study guide.

[chead]

There was also something like a triple-negative on the one I took. Clerk said "Yeah, everyone gets that one wrong."

[Anchors]

There was also something like a triple-negative on the one I took. Clerk said "Yeah, everyone gets that one wrong."

You know it is pretty bad when "everyone gets that one wrong" considering a lot of people taking/renewing the HSC already have a lot of firearms safety experience.

This is a good indication that it was written by people who get their gun facts from Law & Order SVU.

[PixelBender]

The HSC is bizarre. It has a few questions which are misleading, inaccurate, opinionated, and so stupid you have to NOT think about it to get it right. I remember taking mine. I dont recall what my "score" was but so long as it was enough to buy I dont care what it was. Its a stupid test which proves nothing. How you will use, store, and practice is where the danger lies. A #2 pencil wont tell you jack about how safe you will be with a firearm.

[PixelBender]

There was also something like a triple-negative on the one I took. Clerk said "Yeah, everyone gets that one wrong."

I think mine had that. It was crazy. Like "its not ok to not have a loaded gun in a locked container inside an unlocked box" or something seriously stupid like that.

[chead]

You know it is pretty bad when "everyone gets that one wrong" considering a lot of people taking/renewing the HSC already have a lot of firearms safety experience.

This is a good indication that it was written by people who get their gun facts from Law & Order SVU.

The question was about inter-state intra-familial transfer but it was worded so strangely it was almost incomprehensible. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I consider myself a pretty smart guy. I'm in a master program, I'm a software developer, and if I can't untangle a sentence to even answer the question, there's a problem.

Not to mention I don't think firearms transfer law has anything to do with handgun safety..

[bruceflinch]

It's a typical government-written test.

A person with average intelligence will "overthink" the questions and miss a few.

^ this. Did you read the Handbook first Ryan? It's just like the DMV test. Read the booklet & take the test. Common sense doesn't come into play..

Dang I love that smilie!

[RRichie09]

The question was about inter-state intra-familial transfer but it was worded so strangely it was almost incomprehensible. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but I consider myself a pretty smart guy. I'm in a master program, I'm a software developer, and if I can't untangle a sentence to even answer the question, there's a problem.

Not to mention I don't think firearms transfer law has anything to do with handgun safety..

Man I used to think I was smart with being an engineering major and all, but I got 30 out of 30 on the HSC... I'm starting to doubt my intelligence... hahah

The problem is that Calgunners know more ins and outs of the law and thus some of the questions are ambiguous. I'm sure we can all find exceptions to atleast 10 of the 30 questions. I was thinking what about C&R exemptions for three of them. I just approached it as if an anti had wrote the test and answered with what I believe they wanted to hear. Its like taking any multiple choice test in a liberal arts class.

[Wherryj]

True or False?

I almost answered false because you can LOC in unincorporated areas with under 200,000 residents/areas where the discharge of a firearm is not prohibited. Of course, you can also carry if you have a carry license. I clarified with the gun shop and they said most people don't know that and not to over think the question.

Are they (DOJ) conditioning people to think they have less rights than the few that they really do have?

There were a couple other "questionable" questions (pun). They are very easy and simple, but some of them seem to be based more on DOJ opinion than California PC.

There were several other people taking the test with me and they seemed fairly nervous about it. Obviously since I'm already a gun owner (I buy them in my other state of residence, legally), I did not foresee running into any problems like the one above.

Well, even though it appears that the questions are written to encourage people to voluntarily restrict their rights, the question is technically correct. The "generally" at the beginning makes the statement true. You managed to give a few "non general" exceptions to the rule here in CA, but "generally" you have few if any rights when it comes to the 2A in the PRK.

[Anchors]

Not to mention I don't think firearms transfer law has anything to do with handgun safety..

That is also a good point. Most of the test was law.
If it were really just a safety test, there would be four questions.

1: Treat every firearm as if it were loaded. T/F?
2. Always keep the muzzle pointed in the safest direction possible. T/F?
3. Be sure of your target and what is beyond. T/F?
4. Keep your finger off the trigger until you're lined up on target. T/F?

An entire government bureaucracy that exists for the sole purpose of over complicating simple things.
Gun safety is serious, but not complex.

^ this. Did you read the Handbook first Ryan? It's just like the DMV test. Read the booklet & take the test. Common sense doesn't come into play..

Dang I love that smilie!

You're right. I should have known that real life firearms experience, common sense, and above average reading comprehension skills would make the test harder.
Haha. The worst part is that the guy who wrote the HSC undoubtedly earns a full-time salary with full government benefits...

Man I used to think I was smart with being an engineering major and all, but I got 30 out of 30 on the HSC... I'm starting to doubt my intelligence... hahah

The problem is that Calgunners know more ins and outs of the law and thus some of the questions are ambiguous. I'm sure we can all find exceptions to atleast 10 of the 30 questions..

Same here and probably true.

Well, even though it appears that the questions are written to encourage people to voluntarily restrict their rights, the question is technically correct. The "generally" at the beginning makes the statement true. You managed to give a few "non general" exceptions to the rule here in CA, but "generally" you have few if any rights when it comes to the 2A in the PRK.

That ambiguity has no place in a test that you are required to take just to secure your basic constitutional rights.
There is a reason "poll tests" were ruled unconstitutional.
If you are going to require a test for a basic right in the Constitution, you better make it clear cut.

[hornswaggled]

The test writers want you to say, "Yes, carrying guns in public is bad and I won't do it." It's not about what is technically correct, it's what the test writers want you to think is correct.