Important: Nomenclature - Semiautomatic Ban, Carry License

[OleCuss]

How about BALLSAC - Ballastics and Load Limiting Stupid Arse Capacity

Magazines...

[Maestro Pistolero]

MANSACS- Magazines Artificially Neutered So Antis Can Sleep

[nicki]

Obersvation.

Marry License
Carry License

California Constitution.

(b) A citizen or class of citizens may not be granted privileges
or immunities not granted on the same terms to all citizens.
Privileges or immunities granted by the Legislature may be altered or
revoked.

Before prop 8 amended the Constitution, the ban on same sex marriages was thrown out on this

So far the California Constitution has not been amended to allow discrimination on issuance of CCW permits.

The ban on certain semi automatics because of "cosmetic" or "ergonomic" features opens up so many opportunities for attacks on so many angles it isn't funny.

The other side is coming up with so many interesting defenses that they keep opening up more opportunites for us.

Gene is "wickedly evil", glad he is on our side.

Nicki

[ccmc]

If you read through the full thread, I know it's a lot to ask with over 200 replies, it is pretty clear that the goal here is to remove the idea that "concealed" is some game changing word and that "concealed" is just another manner in which one may choose to exercise their right to carry a firearm.

Concealment still (in CA) has some stigma attached to it. If we open the tent up wide and talk about the right to "carry" a gun as being protected then the way in which one carries his/her gun becomes a personal choice and not the business of government. If we keep the idea of both concealed and open carry aggregated it puts the state in the position of having to justify why they have an interest in banning one manner and not the other. If we keep them separated as the anti-gunners would like it creates 2 battles for us and essentially accepts the state's assertion that there is a substantive difference between carrying a gun on your hip wearing a Hawaiian shirt and wearing a gun on your hip wearing a t-shirt.

OK, I see what you mean. The operative word is carry versus concealed. I was focused on the license versus permit. Please remember us non-residents who want a way to legally carry in your state just as you all can do in mine.

[hoffmang]

OK, I see what you mean. The operative word is carry versus concealed. I was focused on the license versus permit. Please remember us non-residents who want a way to legally carry in your state just as you all can do in mine.

If you think we've forgotten just look a little to the east to see our invasion of Italy on that. Peterson v. Denver's Sheriff of the Week.

-Gene

[Cokebottle]

Ever since the wimpification of Darth Vader and SEAL team 6's elimination of Osama, there just isn't much in the way of easily recognized pop culture villians...

And Han shot first!

[hoffmang]

And Han shot first!

I hate to have to defend her, but JK Rowling did hit upon one particular pernicious nanny state aspect of people being afraid of calling something what it is. Just think about the effect that "death panels" had politically for a perfect example.

-Gene

[Scott Connors]

"but semi-auto is so widely accepted within the firearms community that I don't think that moving the terminology to the better term is a real option."

Respectfully while I agree with the fact here, this change in nomenclature is NOT for this community, but to change our frame of debate in the wider public. I actually like the term "auto-loading" better than "semi-auto" and like the term "self loading" because there is NO mention of automatic and that is, in the fevered minds of the left, the issue.

I have a friend that insists that semi auto is what the military uses therfor we should not have access... (I know, where to start... including why is he my friend.... ) But the issue is real and the word "auto" will always have the connotation of full auto to the left and the brainless (a super-set of the left.)

If you describe your weapon as "half a *bad* thing" to start with, you are at a linguistic disadvantage from the opening moment of a debate.Think of how the left talks about "revenue enhancers" or "use fees" when they mean taxes because the word "tax" has baggage.

There is precedent. The FN FAL was called the SLR (self-loading rifle) for much of its service life in Commonwealth countries.

[Scott Connors]

I hate to have to defend her, but JK Rowling did hit upon one particular pernicious nanny state aspect of people being afraid of calling something what it is. Just think about the effect that "death panels" had politically for a perfect example.

-Gene

H.P. Lovecraft used the term "him who is not to be named" back in 1931 in his story "The Whisperer in Darkness." Many of the writers who expounded on his mythology, the "Cthulhu [gesundheit!] Mythos," picked up that meme and ran with it. Anyone who has done any serious reading in 20th Century horror or weird fiction would undoubtedly run across it sooner or later.

[Trailboss60]

We do not have an assault weapons ban. We have a ban on some semiautomatic rifles.


It's time we call this stuff by it's proper name because carry is a right and semiautomatic rifles and handguns are common and thus arms.

-Gene

I agree..every time a reporter or politician utters the word "assault weapon" they should be asked "how do you define an assault weapon?" watch them squirm as they say something stupid like;



They can then be schooled on the fact that an assault weapon is a machine gun that is already heavily regulated.




Ol' Chuck Heston;

"... Teddy Roosevelt hunted in the last century with a semiautomatic rifle. Most deer rifles are semiautomatic ... it's become a demonized phrase. The media distorts that and the public ill understands it. ..."

As for the negative connotation of "concealed carry";

Now that Arizona has broken ground with its new no-permit-needed Freedom To Carry law (effective 7/29/10, also called Constitutional Carry), efforts are underway to deny anti-rights bigots an upper hand in the battle of words that frames so many civil rights debates.

"Concealed carry," the term government prefers, implies you have something to hide," said numerous long-time permit holders. "Now that Arizona has normalized the right to keep and bear arms, it makes much more sense to always refer to discreet carry as discreet carry. Nothing requires you to be a showboat in your ownership or possession of any private property unless you want to be."

Writer and friend Don Kline insightfully notes that, "One thing I make a point of when discussing discreet carry is the fact that traditionally, and as a doctrine of law, tyrants would like us to forget we have a right to exercise our rights PRIVATELY. Being forced to carry openly if we carry at all is not only a violation of our right to bear arms, it is a violation of our right to privacy."

[Apocalypsenerd]

I've begun using the "California restricted magazine". That one sounds really good.

[hoffmang]

H.P. Lovecraft used the term "him who is not to be named" back in 1931 in his story "The Whisperer in Darkness." Many of the writers who expounded on his mythology, the "Cthulhu [gesundheit!] Mythos," picked up that meme and ran with it. Anyone who has done any serious reading in 20th Century horror or weird fiction would undoubtedly run across it sooner or later.

Yes. However, only people who already understand the geekiness of our issue recognize Cthulhu. An order of magnitude more read/watched/read to their kids, Harry Potter.

-Gene

[Apocalypsenerd]

OK, well that is unexpected. This website nitpicking the details of Call of Cthulu vs. Harry Potter in a discussion of the politics of gun law, no less. I knew I really liked this community when I first arrived.

[ccmc]

If you think we've forgotten just look a little to the east to see our invasion of Italy on that. Peterson v. Denver's Sheriff of the Week.

-Gene

I'm not sure there's a connection. Colorado is shall issue, and they do recognize a number of other states' RESIDENT carry licenses, so there is a legal way for non-residents to carry as long as they have a carry license from their home state. California has no way for non-residents to legally carry. Big difference.

[NoJoke]

Wouldn't it be a good idea for "CalCCW" to change their name as well?