LOC While in Campsite Clarity

[Librarian]

But aren't those about the GFSZ for the most part?

No; 'public' place has implications outside of GFSZ. So far, there is still more that is NOT in a GFSZ than is included in one or more of them.

Our interest, usually, is related to guns. Different parts of the Penal Code have their own (IMO, slightly better) usages of 'public place'. For example, 647

647. Every person who commits any of the following acts is guilty
of disorderly conduct, a misdemeanor:
(a) Who solicits anyone to engage in or who engages in lewd or
dissolute conduct in any public place or in any place open to the
public or exposed to public view.

or 647c

647c. Every person who willfully and maliciously obstructs the free
movement of any person on any street, sidewalk, or other public
place or on or in any place open to the public is guilty of a
misdemeanor.

[Southwest Chuck]

The dog bowels should keep the law away, although they might attract bears!

Yeh I was on a rant when I typed that

Edit: I'll also add that most of my camping is in unincorporated areas where "discharge is not otherwise prohibited", so it's rarely been an issue for me.

[Oceanbob]

I'am with Southwest Chuck on this.

And to the OP..Welcome to Cal Guns!..great to have you here.!

Bob

[Southwest Chuck]

I camp a lot in "unincorporated" Sequoia National Forest, always open carried, never been questioned.

Same here, and on BLM land in the desert. Never been questioned either and had several discussion with Rangers. Subject never came up even though my holster & gun were plainly visible.

[Bigtwin]

I have yet to have a problem on the rare visit fom the LEOs in the Eldorado national forest of me LOC while camping. Again, not in designated camp sites...though I have had no problems there either!

[Falstaff]

The state park campsites are still a problem though... (LUCC only as far as I can tell)

[Southwest Chuck]

The state park campsites are still a problem though... (LUCC only as far as I can tell)

I didn't see an exception (exclusion) for State Park "CAMPSITES" in 12031(i) ???

Could it be that some laws are contradictory? Naww, couldn't be....

[chris12]

OK, I've seen this "Stay in your Tent or Camper" argument before. It irked me then, and It really irks me now.

To clarify, I'm not saying that is how it should be. Just having read through a couple of the Theseus threads I'm not convinced the court could understand "Campsite" as they can't seem to understand "Private property". The whole thing irks me too!

I'm all for people doing their own risk assessment.

[MudCamper]

The state park campsites are still a problem though... (LUCC only as far as I can tell)

Correct, because you have an additional state law there, CCR Title 14, Div 3, Chap 1, s 4313. See the Firearms in Forests and Parks thread.

[ballistics101]

While you may have been on a Rant Chuck, It was well said and well received. If we cower and do not exercise our rights, they will be taken away. Which is why forums such as this are great for learning the correct format to do so..

[boxbro]

OK, I've seen this "Stay in your Tent or Camper" argument before. It irked me then, and It really irks me now.

Maybe your argument can be used to dismantle the whole "front yard isn't private property" BS.

[Glock22Fan]

That is an interesting (and awful) line of argument that I had not thought of before...

I have been saying this for years, but noone wanted to listen.

Around your tent, or outside your camper, surely it is (at least) the same as being in your front yard without a gated fence.

[ballistics101]

Perhaps those that make the laws, make them ambiguous for that very reason. If it is left open one can interpret any way he or she sees fit for any application. Such as to prosecute an innocent law abiding person. I think the ice is thin here, When I camp, I usually UOC. At least with that, the do not's are pretty well defined. As well, it gives me a reason to practice my quick draw- load- point.

[mdimeo]

I've read a bunch of posts recently on not carrying in your front yard unless it is properly gated and possibly locked. If a front yard doesn't qualify as place of residence or private property, I would assume anything beyond the door of your tent/camper yet still in your campsite would be risky.

A campsite is specifically listed as an exception in the statute. A prosecutor can pretend your front yard isn't your residence, but he'd be hard pressed to convince a judge that a campsite isn't a campsite.

[ballistics101]

@ Taperxz. To bad WTS doesn't sell Ranger or LE decoys.