DFG can prohibit rifles and handguns

[Flying Sig]

[YubaRiver]

WA state allows LTC when archery

If you have a LTC in WA state, you can carry for self defense while
archery only hunting. WA is a shall issue state as well. This is good in some
of the areas that have grizzly bears and such. You may not use
the firearm to dispatch or otherwise take game tho.

Anyway, I find I am a better shot with a bow than a handgun at archery
ranges.

I mentioned this to a CA warden friend who archery hunts and tho he believed
it was illegal to carry a handgun when on shotgun or archery only hunts that he saw little reason for such a rule since the other weapons did just fine.

I suppose someone could bring a scoped .308 Contender on their hip.

[huntercf]

They also prevent bowhunters from carrying while bowhunting in bow season. It makes me really nervous hunting bears with only a bow, without a 44 mag backup. But the law is there to prevent poaching with a gun in bow season. I understand it, but I don't necessarily agree with it.

If you aren't hunting, I don't think DFG laws apply to you.

In other states they allow you to carry a pistol for protection because in other states they actually care about the welfare of their residents, CA does not. Also, in those other states when you take an animal with a bow they have a kit that checks for the presence of lead just to make sure, but in this state that would make too much sense, hence it won't be done.

[Spelunker]

You should see progress on this by the end of the year.

-Gene

Were getting close to the end of the year and I got a bow for Christmas, soooo is there any progress?

[Kid Stanislaus]

it is also unlawful to possess a firearm during ARCHERY only season for deer. its intended to prevent the taking of a deer with a firearm then using an archery tag.

I'm think'n its no be chore for an experienced eye to see the difference between an arrow wound and a bullet wound. Since hunters are required to check in with DF&G at the earliest opportunity I'm calling BULL PUCKY on their policy.

[gun toting monkeyboy]

I'm think'n its no be chore for an experienced eye to see the difference between an arrow wound and a bullet wound. Since hunters are required to check in with DF&G at the earliest opportunity I'm calling BULL PUCKY on their policy.

Here is a partial list of the people who can sign off your deer tag in California:
1. (No idea, this one was ommited from the list I found)
2. Forest Supervisors (FS)
3. Assistant Forest Supervisors (FS)
4. District Forest Rangers (FS)
5. Foresters (FS, BLM)
6. Range Conservationists (FS, BLM)
7. Forest Engineers (FS, BLM)
8. Forestry Aides (FS)
9. Fire Control Officers or Aides (FS, BLM)
10. Clerks (FS, FWS, BLM) while on duty at their headquarters
11. Game Management Agents (FWS)
12. Wildlife Management Biologists (FS, FWS, BLM)
13. District Managers (BLM)
14. Information Specialists (BLM)
15. Area Managers (BLM)
16. Realty Specialists (BLM)
17. Natural Resource Specialists (BLM)
18. Engineers (BLM)
19. Engineering Technicians (BLM)
20. Recreation Resource Specialists (BLM)
21. Geologists (BLM)
22. Recreation Aides (BLM)
23. All Uniformed Personnel of the National Park Service
24. Commanding officers of any United States military installation or their designated personnel for deer taken on their reservation.
25. Postmasters
26. Post Office Station or Branch Manager for deer brought to their post office.

My guess would be a fair number of these people would have no idea how to tell wounds apart. Showing up at a Post Office and dragging some poor woman out to look at a splattered deer carcass probably won't get you exactly what you could consider to be a thorough examination...

-Mb

[Curtis]

25. Postmasters
26. Post Office Station or Branch Manager for deer brought to their post office.

Isn't there a court case involving firearms on post office property/parking lot? I would like to see have the post office sign off on a deer.

[Spirit 1]

Seems that a very large part of the problem is that some, or now many, in these fed & state agencies like DFG are much more into 'Managing Wetlands' and 'Managing wildlife populations' as in CONTROL over our natural resources, which they consider THEIR resources, rather than making them available to America's citizens. They are apparently more concerned about hunters killing THEIR animals and fishermen killing THEIR fish than they are about fundamental human & Constitutional rights of access to OUR RESOURCES or Consitutionally guaranteed protections while doing so.

[Arrowhunters5]

I really worry about my family members that can not carry a sidearm while bow hunting. Our area we hunt is strangled my cartel MJ gardens. So much so that we refer the increase of late night and seasonal activity as "cartel traffic."

It's a sad day when a family is trying maintain their traditions of deer camp and no one wants to venture too far from the main roads. It is so bad we routinely run across plastic piping near major road ways.

To deprive a citizen of their 2nd amendment rights to defend themselves, simply because he/she chooses to bow hunt, is disgusting.

I am an awesome marksman with my pistol, but no where near as accurate as I am with a bow at 25 yards and beyond. So to say bow hunters will "cheat" is a joke. Even a noobie bow hunter is typically more accurate than the average pistol shooter, IMHO.

[Spelunker]

Sooo, any word on this from the higher ups (AKA people in the know)?

[Don Edmondson]

Birdshot is for little birds. If you have to fire your gun, it's because there is a grave threat to your life and you need to STOP that threat. Birdshot will not physically stop a human threat. It may convince them to retreat (being shot with anything at all is gonna suck), but it will not do anything to physically make the attack stop. You need at least 12" of penetration for that to even really be a possibility, and you're still going to need to aim for the vitals. Birdshot may (may!) penetrate 3-4" if you're lucky. It's just gonna give them nasty painful flesh wounds.

You people that believe that bird shot at 6 to 20 feet is not lethal are not well informed you can prove it to your self just take your shotgun with #7 or #8 shot and shot a pigs head, or watermelon at 6 foot there will be a 2to3 inch hole bet you cant live with that hole in your head or chest. All old hunters know in big bear country shot guns are your best friend Don

[tpuig]

This does bring a smile to my face..

I love these kinds of responces -

[hoffmang]

The action on this isn't CGF but another entity. Not everyone moves as quickly as CGF.

-Gene

[locosway]

I recommend genocide for Cottonmouths...



3" to 4" of penetration is far too survivable on average for home defense. One wants an attack to stop. The way to do that is to do damage to the CNS. Ribs are quite capable of stopping that. FBI recommends 12" of penetration for self defense rounds.

-Gene

12" minimum, but more is better.