DFG can prohibit rifles and handguns

[taperxz]

cough cough!!

Not saying anyone should not have the right to carry a pistol on them but, there IS lots of fail in this thread.

First, No one is allowed in refuges without checking in and getting a number in order to go to a blind. Yes. you need to check in just to get in!

Second, A shotgun with 3" magnums in #2 or 3 is just fine for protection against an assailant. NOT 6-7!! Thats for quail! If your hunting geese we use BB's.

Sure! come on out with your handgun and mess with us in a sunken blind with about 2000 rounds of shotgun shells that we stash in our personal blinds on private land. Good luck

[advocatusdiaboli]

cough cough!!

Not saying anyone should not have the right to carry a pistol on them but, there IS lots of fail in this thread.

First, No one is allowed in refuges without checking in and getting a number in order to go to a blind. Yes. you need to check in just to get in!

Second, A shotgun with 3" magnums in #2 or 3 is just fine for protection against an assailant. NOT 6-7!! Thats for quail! If your hunting geese we use BB's.

Sure! come on out with your handgun and mess with us in a sunken blind with about 2000 rounds of shotgun shells that we stash in our personal blinds on private land. Good luck

Good post. I think even a 2 3/4 with #3 would be very effective. 7 1/2? That's my trap round.

[Anchors]

That really isn't the point.
The point is that many people would rather carry a sidearm for self-defense while hunting and they should have the right to do so.
No one "being allowed in" without checking in is great and all, but you never know who is in there or how they got in there or what they're doing.

Can't trust everyone all the time.

[hoffmang]

Your fundamental right to self defense allows one to carry a handgun. It's well within DFG to prohibit you using it on game (accept in self defense) but they can't ban your possession and only allow you a shotgun with birdshot. See Heller.

-Gene

[Anchors]

^Thank you.

[donw]

it is also unlawful to possess a firearm during ARCHERY only season for deer.

its intended to prevent the taking of a deer with a firearm then using an archery tag.

[donw]

Good post. I think even a 2 3/4 with #3 would be very effective. 7 1/2? That's my trap round.

i use 7-71/2 in my 870 for "Home defense"...imagine taking a load of #7 in the face/chest at 20 ft...i would guantee there will be little resistance from an intruder after that...

[Anchors]

it is also unlawful to possess a firearm during ARCHERY only season for deer.

its intended to prevent the taking of a deer with a firearm then using an archery tag.

Yes, but what about the taking of a hunter's life by something nastier than a deer while you're out there with your crossbow/bow?
You have to weigh the cost/consequences.
I value the hunter's right to personal defense more than the deer's right to get shot with an arrow instead of a bullet.

[pointedstick]

i use 7-71/2 in my 870 for "Home defense"...imagine taking a load of #7 in the face/chest at 20 ft...i would guantee there will be little resistance from an intruder after that...

Birdshot is for little birds. If you have to fire your gun, it's because there is a grave threat to your life and you need to STOP that threat. Birdshot will not physically stop a human threat. It may convince them to retreat (being shot with anything at all is gonna suck), but it will not do anything to physically make the attack stop. You need at least 12" of penetration for that to even really be a possibility, and you're still going to need to aim for the vitals. Birdshot may (may!) penetrate 3-4" if you're lucky. It's just gonna give them nasty painful flesh wounds.

[JDoe]

It looks like the DFG is having their little error explained to them but I can't help but wonder what the outcome might be should a Sheriff or Sheriff's Deputy get involved.

California Penal Code

15. A crime or public offense is an act committed or omitted in
violation of a law forbidding or commanding it, and to which is
annexed, upon conviction, either of the following punishments:
1. Death;
2. Imprisonment;
3. Fine;
4. Removal from office; or,
5. Disqualification to hold and enjoy any office of honor,
trust,or profit in this State.

16. Crimes and public offenses include:
1. Felonies;
2. Misdemeanors; and
3. Infractions.


California Government Code

26601. The sheriff shall arrest and take before the nearest
magistrate for examination all persons who attempt to
commit or who have committed a public offense.

Is interfering with someone's right to carry a handgun under the CA PC or interfering with someone's 2A protected rights or falsely citing, arresting or seizing a person under the color of law a public offense? It probably wouldn't go anywhere in California but one Sheriff in Oregon sides with the people and the law in opposition to the U.S. Forest Service.

[edlegault]

A number of years ago, my younger brother and I were hunting early one morning on the way to high school in SW Washington state. I was carrying a .284 winchester autoloader for deer and he was carrying a 12 gauge for grouse/pheasants. We were walking down an old logging road side-by-side, with him looking to his side and me to mine. He was supposed to tell me if he saw a deer. Next thing I hear is a boom and "Ed, I just shot a buck!" . He shot, hit and killed a deer at about 10 yards with a 12 gauge, #7 or #8 shot with a kill shot to the neck. Dead. One shot. Mangled neck, but dead. Did I say bird shot, one shot? That shotgun he had was an old single shot, modified choke. Nice pattern. No doubt it would nave done a similar number on a 2 legged animal.

[Hunt]

Your fundamental right to self defense allows one to carry a handgun. It's well within DFG to prohibit you using it on game (accept in self defense) but they can't ban your possession and only allow you a shotgun with birdshot. See Heller.

-Gene

I like this, I would like to carry a sidearm while bowhunting in border areas, Az DFG allows this.

[paul0660]

This guy is glad it was birdshot:

[Tripper]

Gene, I'd like someone to explain that right to All the Game Wardens, and have them AGREE to it.
I know probably 100 wardens that would cite a LEO for carrying a pistol while bowhunting.
or at least claim they can.

and, what coalition are you referring to
FYI, COHA, is very friendly with DFG btw.
COHA on our side would be a big +

as I understand it, sections of the DFG code come up for modification only on a timed basis, meaning section A is up for modification, section B cannot be modified except within a specific time frame.
the code prohibiting these things might not be open for modification at this time.
as I recall, the carrying while bowhunting was up for mod maybe 1.5 years ago, and failed.

[El Toro]

@taperxz: If you check the link, it was for a non-wetlands Quail only area in the Mojave.

Alot of the BLM lands I have hunted are desolate areas only crazies would be recreationing on. More than a few times I have had a jeep come hauling along a road I figured no one had used in months and pass by with a funny (bizarre) look. I usually dont worry about me but but more my truck, after we have hiked 2 miles away in search of Chukar

Since I am interested in Cady (a DFG managed land) I want to know I can carry a handgun for added defense. In fact, even if I was only going there to hike, I would want something in my ruck for protection. Seems if I also have a 20Ga or .410, I can't do that

cough cough!!

Not saying anyone should not have the right to carry a pistol on them but, there IS lots of fail in this thread.

First, No one is allowed in refuges without checking in and getting a number in order to go to a blind. Yes. you need to check in just to get in!

Second, A shotgun with 3" magnums in #2 or 3 is just fine for protection against an assailant. NOT 6-7!! Thats for quail! If your hunting geese we use BB's.

Sure! come on out with your handgun and mess with us in a sunken blind with about 2000 rounds of shotgun shells that we stash in our personal blinds on private land. Good luck