Gun control victory in New York; four dead, perp is safe

[CCWFacts]

A gunman shot four people inside a pharmacy in a New York suburb Sunday morning, killing everyone inside the store in what police said looked like a robbery gone wrong.

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Every day that the court cases drag on, there are more dead in NY, DC and similar locations. I know that court cases take as long as they take, but this incident puts it into concrete terms what are the real costs. All the Brady Campaign leaders, spokescelebrities, Joyce Foundation stooges have this blood on their hands.

[Liberty1]

...'tiss the calculated cost of living in Bloomburg's gun 'free' zone utopia.

Contrast with this alive but unemployeed pharmacist...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...d-robbers.html

The Criminal Protection Union (CPU), Politicians and Armed Robbers Local 211, have filed a grievance with Walgreens for the stress and emotional pain their members have suffered at the hands of the 'gun' lobby & gun owners.

[yellowfin]

Notice the ever present use of the word "gunman", implying that having a firearm was the undesirable trait of the perpetrator, instead of "madman", "murderer", "assailant", "thug", etc. to convey immorality and inhumanity.

[753X0]

"Wrong"?

"a robbery gone wrong"? The perp got away with the goods....what went wrong? Sounds like a robbery gone right, to me.
The "robbery gone wrong" ends with the robber(s) dead/in custody at the hands of the presumed victim(s).

[Seeker]

"a robbery gone wrong"? The perp got away with the goods....what went wrong? Sounds like a robbery gone right, to me.
The "robbery gone wrong" ends with the robber(s) dead/in custody at the hands of the presumed victim(s).

Agreed!

As far as that article with the Walgreens heist:
I will not shop at Walgreens again. They don't support the god-given right to self-preservation plus, they are way too expensive. A 4 pack of Duracell DD batteries for 10$?? Come on!!!

[Paladin]

Every day that the court cases drag on, there are more dead in NY, DC and similar locations. I know that court cases take as long as they take, but this incident puts it into concrete terms what are the real costs. All the Brady Campaign leaders, spokescelebrities, Joyce Foundation stooges have this blood on their hands.

Yes, all too true. For me, there are a multitude of reasons for being pro-RKBA/Shall Issue (NOT in order of importance): it will be cool, when I was a kid, only Jame Bond and the like CCWed (IIRC, Bond had an additional license. . . ); it is our RKBA protected, not granted, by the 2nd A; and it has been proven to be a good public policy that reduces rates of violent crimes (rape, murder, etc.). But the loss of a loved one's life, or my own, because the force of law was used to make us defenseless, will far overshadow all those other considerations.

That's why, even though I don't get paid for it, and it won't speed things along, every chance I have I stick one of my "business card fliers" under the windshield wiper of a car w/a LE/Mil/hunting/NRA sticker on it, and I routinely go up to strangers whom I think will be interested (security guards, fuel truckers, convenience store clerks, gas station attendants, people wearing "hunting camo" vs "fashion" camo) and ask if they are and then spend a few minutes sharing and giving them one of those cards. Info re them here:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?p=5295940&posted=1#post5295940

Frankly, I really want when CA goes Shall Issue to be a BIG DEAL and get lots of media so that many BGs will change their ways so I WON'T have to shoot one in defense of myself or others. I'd just love it for crime, esp violent crime, to fade away. But since, barring Jesus' return, that won't happen, so I support those public policies that have been proven to reduce violent crime (e.g., Shall Issue and the Death Penalty -- John Lott, PhD has written on both).

Notice the ever present use of the word "gunman", implying that having a firearm was the undesirable trait of the perpetrator, instead of "madman", "murderer", "assailant", "thug", etc. to convey immorality and inhumanity.

Yes, I've noticed that too: constant conditioning of "guns = bad"

Have you ever noticed that NO caliber/ammo is "low powered" in "news" reports (aka MSM propaganda)?

[stix213]

"a robbery gone wrong"? The perp got away with the goods....what went wrong? Sounds like a robbery gone right, to me.
The "robbery gone wrong" ends with the robber(s) dead/in custody at the hands of the presumed victim(s).

I agree. He's not caught, no more witnesses, and got the goods. Sounds like it went according to plan.

[G60]

I imagine if it were a walgreen's, their press release would somewhere have the term '**** happens' in it.

[CCWFacts]

...'tiss the calculated cost of living in Bloomburg's gun 'free' zone utopia.

The Criminal Protection Union (CPU), Politicians and Armed Robbers Local 211, have filed a grievance with Walgreens for the stress and emotional pain their members have suffered at the hands of the 'gun' lobby & gun owners.

I would like to point out, your comment isn't a joke. The gang constituency has enough political power to fight against self-defense laws. I'm pretty sure that NYC's gun laws were passed in part to protect the mafia there. It's a lot harder to extort small shop owners when they're armed.

Notice in the Bay Area, the gangs' political fronts, such as Uhuru House, Indybay, and other various left-wing "anti-violence" groups are all radically anti-RKBA. When they talk about "anti-violence" they really mean anti-self-defense.

Notice the ever present use of the word "gunman", implying that having a firearm was the undesirable trait of the perpetrator, instead of "madman", "murderer", "assailant", "thug", etc. to convey immorality and inhumanity.

Excellent observation. The media wants us to see the gun as the problem, when in fact the person who made the decision to do that is the problem.

[advocatusdiaboli]

The odd thing is that the gun grabbers see these incidents as evidence they need to ban firearms entirely as if they'd magically be removed from the global market and all criminal's hands by a ban. when they say that on numerous news sites, I remind them that Mexico has more restrictive laws than the US and look where that got them. I also remind them that many drugs are illegal yet I can easily buy them in nearly any city in the USA. But it never changes their minds. Not one of them. I am very pessimistic we see any change in anything that include voters or legislative bodies. The court are and always have been our only single hope.

[ccmc]

The court are and always have been our only single hope.

Nope. Just look at Wisconsin.

[CCWFacts]

The odd thing is that the gun grabbers see these incidents as evidence they need to ban firearms entirely as if they'd magically be removed from the global market and all criminal's hands by a ban.

Yes, their idea is that if you could somehow really ban guns and truly get them out of the hands of everyone except government officials, you would have utopian bliss. First problem with this wonderful idea is, it's impossible to undo a technology. Firearms are easy technology and there are thousands of manufacturers around the world. It would be impossible to regulate all of them and prevent the technology from getting out.

Second, even if we could magically ban all firearms from non-government possession, we would still face problems of strong thugs attacking the physically weaker, thugs armed with non-gun weapons (knives, clubs), and also thugs who end up with government authority.

The UK is currently experiencing the joys of gun control. They have a high violent crime rate, mostly with savage unarmed attacks, or knife attacks. It's pretty difficult to rid the world of sharp objects.

All the gun banners should spend some time living in gun-free zones like Jamaica, Mexico, etc to really experience what happens when you remove guns.

[ccmc]

All the gun banners should spend some time living in gun-free zones like Jamaica, Mexico, etc to really experience what happens when you remove guns.

Countries like those aren't the goal. They would point to coutries like Canada, Denmark or Holland which still have far lower murder rates than the US. Of course we could point to Switzerland where every male between 20 and 50 is required to own a gun which also has a far lower murder rate that the US. Maybe H. Rap Brown was right when he said violence is American as cherry pie

[CCWFacts]

Countries like those aren't the goal. They would point to coutries like Canada, Denmark or Holland which still have far lower murder rates than the US.

Yeah, but gun ownership doesn't correlate, as you point out. Switzerland, Austria and perhaps Germany and Finland have firearms ownership rates comparable to US and they have far lower murder rates. There must be other factors.

Btw, I should point out that the picture there is one of the victims. 18 years old, just graduated highschool, working at the pharmacy as a part-time job.

[Wherryj]

"a robbery gone wrong"? The perp got away with the goods....what went wrong? Sounds like a robbery gone right, to me.
The "robbery gone wrong" ends with the robber(s) dead/in custody at the hands of the presumed victim(s).

I think that you might also add, "gunman leaving witnesses behind" to your list of "gone wrong". Unless he ends up with one of the only two "wrong" outcomes-robber dead or robber caught-it would seem that from the robber's point of view this went "right".