is mounting a 22 upper on a listed lower legal?

[Ryan C]

if someone had a unregistered listed lower and mounted it on a 22 upper would this still be considered a raw and legal?

[Aleksandr Mravinsky]

According to the flowchart (and my instincts) it would be considered an unregistered assault rifle. The .22 calibre comes in when determining if it is an assault weapon by features rather than an assault weapon by name.

[Bhobbs]

If it is unregistered it isn't a RAW.

[hoffmang]

This is a wildly gray area but I think it would be illegal.

You would be clear of 12276.1. However, you have a firearm that meets this definition:

semiautomatic firearms:

As it transitioned from a lower receiver for a named AW (very unclear the legality here) to a semiautomatic firearm. For the original Roberti-Roos list, centerfire isn't required.

-Gene

[ke6guj]

exactly, 12276 applies to both rimfire and centerfire firearms.

[Noxx]

Alek has it. The rimfire component does not enter into it, as the lower is listed. No dice.

[Carnivore]

Since the lower is the only registered part of the rifle. As I understand it, having that alone (listed model) is illegal. Putting anything legal on top doesn't get around the lower being listed. Might win the argument in court but not worth the risk of a felony conviction to try.

[ElvenSoul]

Talk to Palmetto State Armory...they have a super deal right now on Lowers.

[Don29palms]

Talk to Palmetto State Armory...they have a super deal right now on Lowers.

Those are OLLs. They are legal in California. Buy as many as you want. The model PSA is selling is a PA-15 which is not listed.

[CHS]

Since the lower is the only registered part of the rifle. As I understand it, having that alone (listed model) is illegal. Putting anything legal on top doesn't get around the lower being listed. Might win the argument in court but not worth the risk of a felony conviction to try.

Technically a listed lower by itself IS NOT illegal. Since it has to be semi-automatic before it meets the full definition of a listed assault weapon.

However, it's not a battle anyone should be fighting (for now).

But legally speaking, I would feel comfortable having a Colt AR-15 stripped lower receiver in my safe.

[stix213]

This is a wildly gray area but I think it would be illegal.

You would be clear of 12276.1. However, you have a firearm that meets this definition:




As it transitioned from a lower receiver for a named AW (very unclear the legality here) to a semiautomatic firearm. For the original Roberti-Roos list, centerfire isn't required.

-Gene

Interesting that it seems putting an upper on, that is centerfire or rimfire, with a disabled gas system (making it like a bolt action) sounds like it could be legal on a listed lower.

Since off list lowers are so cheap though, I'd get rid of any unregistered listed lower. Not worth any drama over a $130 part.

[slappomatt]

So what about making it a single shot? put a bolt action upper on it. And or remove the gas system?

[CHS]

So what about making it a single shot? put a bolt action upper on it. And or remove the gas system?

Yes, it would technically be legal.

But the drama it would cause would not be worth it, unless CGF says they're willing to take that fight and you've got the money to donate

I'm comfortable with a stripped listed lower in my safe. That's about as far as my personal comfort level extends. I rock fully-featured bullet-buttoned off-list rifles at the range, however. So I'm not totally paranoid

[hoffmang]

But the drama it would cause would not be worth it, unless CGF says they're willing to take that fight and you've got the money to donate

It's not worth the pain/treasure right now. It is useful fodder for legal filings though.

-Gene