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  • Liberty1
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2007
    • 5541

    WHO NEEDS A GUN...?

    Who needs a gun WHEN TAKING A WORK BREAK?
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    Who needs a gun IN A PARK?
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    Last edited by Liberty1; 06-07-2011, 8:55 AM.
    False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
    -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/
  • #2
    NoJoke
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 1538

    //dons a hat of denial//

    Yeah, well I don't like that part of town anyway....
    Yeah, well, I'd never go where there aren't security cameras.....
    Yeah, well, what kind of clothes was she wearing.....
    Yeah, well, she was probably doing something she shouldn't have been doing....

    //removes the hat of denial//

    ...straps on a snubby .38 special!

    NO ISSUE / MAY ISSUE / SHALL ISSUE - LTC progress over time since 1986

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    • #3
      SantaCabinetguy
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2011
      • 15137

      Originally posted by Liberty1
      Who needs a gun ...
      I do!
      Hauoli Makahiki Hou


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      • #4
        Wernher von Browning
        Calguns Addict
        • Mar 2011
        • 9820

        Originally posted by NoJoke
        //dons a hat of denial//

        Yeah, well I don't like that part of town anyway....
        Yeah, well, I'd never go where there aren't security cameras.....
        Yeah, well, what kind of clothes was she wearing.....
        Yeah, well, she was probably doing something she shouldn't have been doing....

        //removes the hat of denial//

        ...straps on a snubby .38 special!

        I like the Hat of Denial though. Where can I get one? Does it look like this?


        This is a new one for me; I already gots a Hat of de Nile.
        sigpic Intendo ad sidera, aliquando ferio Londinium.

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        • #5
          Vanilla Gorilla
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Aug 2010
          • 11015

          who needs to pay more attention to their surroundings is the real question i am sorry but a gun would not have helped in any of these situations because the victims were more than likely not paying attention to their surroundings
          That punk pulled a Glock 7 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun made in Germany. Dosen't show up on your airport X-ray machines, here, and it cost more than you make in a month.
          -John McClane

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          • #6
            r6raff
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 508

            Originally posted by Vanilla gorilla
            who needs to pay more attention to their surroundings is the real question i am sorry but a gun would not have helped in any of these situations because the victims were more than likely not paying attention to their surroundings
            You can't say that for sure, seems like you are assuming a little bit. With both the rape cases there would have been more than likely an opportunity to produce the weapon, now whether that would have aided the victim or not at this point, is just speculation. Unless the victims were beat over the head from behind into unconsciousness I think there is a possibility for defense.

            A friend of mines dad was a "victim" of an attempted robbery... as soon as he lifted his shirt, the perp saw his CCW and bolted, he didn't even have to pull the pistol. His CCW saved him and he didn't even have to draw, who's to say that in any of these cases a similar outcome could have occured. Anyone who is going to use force on a woman in a dark alley or room is probably a coward anyways. One day hopefully the majority will have the freedom to defend themselves from this scum of the earth.

            But I do agree, without alertness, a weapon is useless, I merely disagree at the assumption that a weapon couldn't have changes the tides.

            I believe that our greatest weapon is our mind and our actions, a pistol, a rifle or a knife are all just tools, completely useless without action.
            Hmm...

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            • #7
              shy 7th
              Senior Member
              • May 2010
              • 529

              What about the Yale student who went to Lab and the Lab tech killed her and stuffed her in a wall?

              Coincidentally the same last name as the OP's first article...

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              • #8
                Glock22Fan
                Calguns Addict
                • May 2006
                • 5752

                Originally posted by Vanilla gorilla
                who needs to pay more attention to their surroundings is the real question i am sorry but a gun would not have helped in any of these situations because the victims were more than likely not paying attention to their surroundings
                What you say is possible, but incredibly arrogant. How the heck do you know? My wife is always alert in dark, deserted places (well, actually, not often, as she avoids them). However, if she had to go in such a place, and if she had a CCW, I know that she'd have her revolver out of sight but in her hand. I know I would as well, though mugging would be my fear rather than rape.

                And anyway, having a gun might not have saved their lives, not having a gun didn't even give them that chance. If one life is saved for every thousand people carrying, it is worth it. I suspect the actual figure is much higher.

                What you say is akin to saying "No point in having a fire extinguisher in your kitchen. Lots of houses with one burn down, as the householder probably wouldn't actually be there to use it anyway."
                John -- bitter gun owner.

                All opinions expressed here are my own unless I say otherwise.
                I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice.

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                • #9
                  Lead-Thrower
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 780

                  Originally posted by Vanilla gorilla
                  who needs to pay more attention to their surroundings is the real question i am sorry but a gun would not have helped in any of these situations because the victims were more than likely not paying attention to their surroundings
                  Here is the problem: people always say "A gun wouldn't have helped". Well, I'm sorry, but were you there to witness the crime and determine without a reasonable doubt that a gun would not have helped? Who are you to play God in that manner? This kind of thinking is all too common within the anti-gun crowd...

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                  • #10
                    Liberty1
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 5541

                    Who needs a gun IN PEORIA ILLINIOS?
                    False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.
                    -- Cesare Beccaria http://www.a-human-right.com/

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                    • #11
                      conanobrennan
                      Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 334

                      Originally posted by Glock22Fan
                      However, if she had to go in such a place, and if she had a CCW, I know that she'd have her revolver out of sight but in her hand.
                      yeah, that seems a bit reckless. I realize that if she had a CCW she would have some training but that still seems overly aggressive.

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                      • #12
                        verapakill
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2010
                        • 1185

                        Great Thread

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                        • #13
                          PANTyRAiD
                          Member
                          • May 2011
                          • 299

                          Originally posted by Vanilla gorilla
                          who needs to pay more attention to their surroundings is the real question i am sorry but a gun would not have helped in any of these situations because the victims were more than likely not paying attention to their surroundings
                          In the incident where the girl was raped in the park bathroom; how do you know the perp was not hiding in deep cover beneath a bush with binoculars? Probably scoping and waiting for a cute girl to walk in alone...

                          If you expect people to check every bush and dark corner before going anywhere or doing anything, then you are something else...

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                          • #14
                            Anchors
                            Calguns Addict
                            • Apr 2010
                            • 5940

                            Originally posted by NoJoke
                            //dons a hat of denial//

                            Yeah, well I don't like that part of town anyway....
                            Yeah, well, I'd never go where there aren't security cameras.....
                            Yeah, well, what kind of clothes was she wearing.....
                            Yeah, well, she was probably doing something she shouldn't have been doing....

                            //removes the hat of denial//

                            ...straps on a snubby .38 special!
                            My favorite!
                            My response is always, "Do you think people do robberies and home invasions in the ghetto? Or do you think they do them out here where they know they'll be things worth money in the house?"....

                            Then they shut up and get bummed.

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                            • #15
                              biker777
                              Senior Member
                              • Jul 2009
                              • 1408

                              Originally posted by conanobrennan
                              yeah, that seems a bit reckless. I realize that if she had a CCW she would have some training but that still seems overly aggressive.

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