Constitutional Carry Initiative

[CalNRA]

You can use the same argument for driving. Do you want unlicensed, untrained people, who don't know traffic laws, how to merge, etc. driving a two ton truck on the same roads as your family?

We already license one potentially deadly weapon. Why would you think another to be exempt?

Using voting is a terrible analogy. People don't get killed by hanging chads. If exercising your right involves the potential to kill or maim you better damn well have some kind of a clue what you're doing.

The streets full of people negligently discharging their weapons in Alaska, Vermont, and Arizona totally support your case.

Wait, that's not the case.

In fact much of CA law enforcement don't care if you don't have a license while operating a motor vehicle anymore, as long as you are an illegal immigrant.

[audiophil2]

This is actually the information I was looking for. I am actually a little surprised there aren't more people who (when anonymous) believe that some level of basic competency should be required to carry.

Maybe it is because people are capable of reading up on history and the most basic laws of the land. It does not take much time to learn that the permit system was not based on gun safety at all, rather it was created as a form of racism and oppression against blacks and poor people.

If someone could point out solid information on how unlicensed open carry/CCW has proven to create wild west shootouts or even negligent shootings I would gladly condone mandatory permitting and instruction. So far no one has been able to provide this information and those that are anti-constitutional carry only provide personal beliefs or feelings about why they are right.

[dustoff31]

This is actually the information I was looking for. I am actually a little surprised there aren't more people who (when anonymous) believe that some level of basic competency should be required to carry.

I believe that some basic competency is certainly in order. But should it be required, or just strongly recommended? I can't imagine that anyone is actually in favor of allowing ignorant and incompetent people carrying guns. OTOH, we allow such people to do all manner of things.

Rather than requiring training, perhaps one should suffer some penalty for not ensuring that they know when, where, and how to shoot. For example, saying that failure to take some form of recognized training will be considered prima facie evidence of negligence if you mess up.

[Arondos]

Far more people have been killed by voters than automobiles. Politicians cause wars...

and I don't see any requirements other than age to vote so why should there be any restrictions on other guaranteed rights?

I believe the individual should be responsible for being competent and properly trained and if they aren't then they should be held accountable. We don't need more government control that lessens personal responsibility.

[rugershooter]

Gun control doesn't work to stop people from illegally carrying guns. Only law abiding citizens will obey the law, so why infringe on their rights? There's no reason to. From a strictly constitutional point of view, permits infringe on the 2A. There shouldn't be any permits or training requirements for carrying gun. Training is a personal, individual responsibility, not the government's responsibility.

[jnojr]

Two choices:

1) A system with no CCW permits, where someone who doesn't know what they're doing might hurt or kill someone else.

2) A system with CCW permits, where the government can, and therefore will, take ever-growing powers to determine who should be able to carry when... until nobody that they do not approve of can carry at all.

On the one hand, the possibility. On the other, the proven certainty of the growth and intrusion of government power.

I know which I prefer. Freedom isn't free. Nor is it warm, safe, and cozy. And all of our attempts to use government to create a place that is warm, safe, and cozy inevitably lead to one where life is cold, bleak, and terrifying.

[rugershooter]

Two choices:

1) A system with no CCW permits, where someone who doesn't know what they're doing might hurt or kill someone else.

2) A system with CCW permits, where the government can, and therefore will, take ever-growing powers to determine who should be able to carry when... until nobody that they do not approve of can carry at all.

On the one hand, the possibility. On the other, the proven certainty of the growth and intrusion of government power.

I know which I prefer. Freedom isn't free. Nor is it warm, safe, and cozy. And all of our attempts to use government to create a place that is warm, safe, and cozy inevitably lead to one where life is cold, bleak, and terrifying.

I was going to post a quote from Thomas Jefferson but then I saw it in your sig. Freedom has risks...