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  • BoxesOfLiberty
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 336

    Interesting article on gun control on huffpo

    New Yorker staff writer Dan Baum writes:

    After Tucson: Stricter Gun Laws Aren't the Answer

    It's tempting, after a hideous event like the shooting in Tucson, to want to "do something" about gun violence. But let's pause to consider what that something could be, and what price we might pay for doing it.

    Much has been made of Arizona's notoriously lax gun laws. But Arizona law was irrelevant to Jared Loughner's purchasing the gun. The background check is federal, and he passed it. Yes, his carrying concealed to the Safeway, without a permit, was legal under Arizona's new law, but if it hadn't been, would he have been dissuaded? He headed off to commit murder; he was already far over the line where a concealed-carry law would have made any difference to him...
    Read the rest at Huffington Post

    Interesting article. After reading Baum's analysis, one might reasonably ask why progressives would want gun control at all.
    Dennis Murray

    Originally posted by EdHowdershelt
    There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order.
  • #2
    Freebird
    Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 101

    Didn't have the stamina to read the whole article, but from what you posted he seems to have put together a good argument.

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    • #3
      Wherryj
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Mar 2010
      • 11085

      Originally posted by BoxesOfLiberty
      New Yorker staff writer Dan Baum writes:



      Read the rest at Huffington Post

      Interesting article. After reading Baum's analysis, one might reasonably ask why progressives would want gun control at all.
      "It's a hard thing to accept, but in a country of 350 million privately owned guns, the people who are inclined to do bad things with guns will always be able to get them. One might as well combat air crashes by repealing gravity. "

      This line sounds about right to me.
      "What is a moderate interpretation of the text? Halfway between what it really means and what you'd like it to mean?"
      -Antonin Scalia, Supreme Court Justice
      "Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
      I like my guns like the left likes their voters-"undocumented".

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      • #4
        IrishPirate
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2009
        • 6390

        it's an emotional argument....logic doesn't come into play. Well written article though! lots of very good points.
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        • #5
          Python2
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2006
          • 906

          I cant belive this article is coming from HuffPost.
          Pinoy Bwana

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          • #6
            DavidRSA
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2009
            • 1154

            For an even more interesting article by the same author, download "Happiness is a Worn Gun" from Dan Baum's website:

            Danbaum merupakan situs judi bola qq online resmi dengan platform Apk. Daftar akun PKV Games agen judi bola online terbaik dan terpercaya.


            He comes from a liberal background and had a CCW. Its a good read to understand the mindset of someone who is not a conservative but believes in the RKBA. Read it - it is quite the eye opener. Well worth it.

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            • #7
              PEBKAC
              Senior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 1026

              An excellent article, that man clearly knows the score is.

              And the below quote pretty much sums up why:

              Gun control not only does no practical good, it actively causes harm. It may be hard to show that it saves lives, but it's easy to demonstrate that we've sacrificed a generation of progress on things like health care, women's rights, immigration reform, income fairness, and climate change because we keep messing with people's guns.
              Disagree with the left on some of those issues (or at least in how to deal with them) though many of us may, it is a point that the left must be convinced of for us to win the war.
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              Love and Peace through superior firepower.

              Originally posted by 7x57
              Plus, we can check out each other's hardware. Who says we can't find common ground?
              Originally posted by hoffmang
              Soap box, ballot box, jury box, ammo box. Use in that order.
              Originally posted by ar15barrels
              You need to grow a full beard and move out into the woods before you can be a full fledged member of the surplus rifle long range shooting community.

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              • #8
                Havoc70
                CGSSA Leader
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Apr 2010
                • 798

                Great article, and a new sig line to boot!
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                Ezell v. Chicago

                "The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." - Justice Louis Brandeis Dissenting, Olmstead v. United States

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                • #9
                  Don29palms
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1829

                  Wow! A liberal Democrat that is sane.
                  Using gun control to stop crime is like trying to put out a fire with gasoline!
                  You don't have to get permission to exercise a RIGHT. If you have to get permission or can be told no by the government it is no longer a right. IT IS A PRIVILEGE!
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                  • #10
                    Neuvik
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                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1546

                    Huffpo with a pro 2A article!? Very cool, we're wining.

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                    • #11
                      Milsurps
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 2232

                      Originally posted by Don29palms
                      Wow! A liberal Democrat that is sane.
                      Naw, can't be.











                      Good article.
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                      • #12
                        Dr Rockso
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 3701

                        Saved in my "good articles" folder...I find that the arguments he uses are the ones that cultural/political opponents (i.e. people who don't intrinsically 'hate guns', but just like taking part in the red state/blue state culture wars) are most receptive to.

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                        • #13
                          MudCamper
                          Veteran Member
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 4595

                          Wow. Show this article to all the antis you know. The fact that it's coming from the Huffington Post will give it great traction.

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                          • #14
                            pgg
                            Member
                            • Dec 2009
                            • 318

                            Originally posted by Python2
                            I cant belive this article is coming from HuffPost.
                            And the comments ... my god, they're ... they're ... not mouthfoaming anti propaganda whine!

                            The world is twisting around me. I don't know which way is up any more.

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                            • #15
                              DavidRSA
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 1154

                              Originally posted by Don29palms
                              Wow! A liberal Democrat that is sane.
                              What is interesting about all this is that there are a great deal of us. Dan Baum's views I find myself very much in synch with, as do a lot of other gun folks I know. We just tend to be less loud about it since the reception amongst some gun folks can be downright hostile.

                              Plus, in the black-and-white views of hyperpartisan politics, there is little room for nuance. The realization that there are non-conservative pro-RKBA folks like Dan Baum and me is a good thing, in that it challenges the black-and-white wordview and I am pleased you are all seeing these thoughts.

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