OFF LIST PISTOL

[jtmkinsd]

Here is one of the reasons I am asking this . Many people use word REGISTRATION in a wrong way.

I know many TIMES people help others to sell their guns to stores and other people ( ppt) .

Not once I heard that anything came back......

If in Ca handguns are put in the name of the buyer, don't they see that the original buyer is NOT the current seller? Or for that matter where the gun came from?

Makes sense?

Through reading your numerous posts, and some of the responses...specifically from ke6guj, I think your question was answered. The spirit of your question is "how would the State know if someone did this?" and the answer is they wouldn't, keeping in mind an illegal act is still an illegal act, whether the State would know it or not.

[ap3572001]

Through reading your numerous posts, and some of the responses...specifically from ke6guj, I think your question was answered. The spirit of your question is "how would the State know if someone did this?" and the answer is they wouldn't, keeping in mind an illegal act is still an illegal act, whether the State would know it or not.

Thanks. I am aware that doing something wrong is wrong whether someone finds out or not . Parents taught me that But I don't think that wanting to UNDERSTAND how things work is bad thing. DO YOU ?

[jtmkinsd]

Yes. I know this. We are back where we started....

If someone buys a Glock gives it to their uncle a month later,uncle does a PPT to another person. WON"T ANYONE CARE THAT THE UNCLE IS NOT THE LAST KNOWN OWNER?

Legally, you cannot "give" a handgun to your uncle...uncle does not qualify for Intrafamilial transfer. But to answer your question again, the history of a firearm is of no interest to DOJ, as long as it doesn't come up stolen.

[rromeo]

I can, as well as residents of many other states, which I think is what he meant. If I buy an off roster pistol, then I give it to my dad for his birthday. My dad then trades it to my uncle. My uncle moves to California then decides to sell it. There is no papertrail to my uncle.

[ap3572001]

I can, as well as residents of many other states, which I think is what he meant. If I buy an off roster pistol, then I give it to my dad for his birthday. My dad then trades it to my uncle. My uncle moves to California then decides to sell it. There is no papertrail to my uncle.

You are right!

[jtmkinsd]

I can, as well as residents of many other states, which I think is what he meant. If I buy an off roster pistol, then I give it to my dad for his birthday. My dad then trades it to my uncle. My uncle moves to California then decides to sell it. There is no papertrail to my uncle.

I get stuck in "CA mode" often

The uncle would have to have a valid CA ID though...in the posts above, nothing was mentioned about someone "moving here" with their off-roster guns.

[Librarian]

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If someone buys a Glock
gives it to their uncle a month later,
uncle does a PPT to another person.
WON"T ANYONE CARE THAT THE UNCLE IS NOT THE LAST KNOWN OWNER?

Aside from the fact that the 'give to their uncle' is an illegal transfer in CA, no, no one will care.

As I posted and you quoted, registration is not necessary to sell; I believe the serial might be run for 'reported stolen', but failing that, I'd expect it to go through with no problem.

Suppose this happened all before 1991. Someone bought a gun through an FFL in CA - say, 1960 - and it got reported to the DOJ via DROS. Then, still before 1991, when it was legal to do PPT without an FFL, that gun got sold/given to family and friends, one or many times.

So far as DOJ is aware, the original buyer has it.

Now, the current owner, several times removed from the original, wants to sell it under current rules, and does a PPT through an FFL.

Has to be fine - no law requires a handgun be registered to anyone before it can be sold.

Once it goes through DROS again (or even for the first time), it will be registered to the buyer.

ETA - something like this was already in the thread - suppose all the buying and swapping occurred out of state; CA would have no record of that at all. Now, the current owner moves to CA, and, being a fine law-abiding sort, follows PC about what to do with his handguns.

He has the option of registering them as a personal handgun importer, or he can sell them, PPT if he likes, per PC 12072(f)(2)(ii). No possible prior info to DOJ on the current owner of those handguns.