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  • Meplat
    Calguns Addict
    • Jul 2008
    • 6903

    Be a juror

    Everyone should know that, regardless of what the judge instructs, jurors have a right and duty to judge the law as well as the facts. Indeed, without that option the jury system would be rather pointless.

    We should all embrace our duty to serve on juries as fervently as our right and duty to vote, maybe more so. If ever your future is on the line in a court of law, do you want it decided by 12 people that either have nothing better to do or are too stupid to answer the exclusory questions the right way?

    I know people who have not missed an election in 40 years, but have managed to dodge every jury summons during that same period. How misguided is that? They won’t miss an event where their influence has a value of 1 in 12,000,000 and is no doubt diluted farther by gerrymandering, big money, and election fraud, but refuse to participate in one where their influence has a value of 1 in 12 and they have VETO power! If you have misgivings about the over reach of government power, over regulation, and the criminalization of just about everything, the jury box is by far the most effective tool available to an individual American.


    How to get to be a juror:

    First: don’t lie! Lying to judges is a very bad idea. However, there is nothing wrong with not reveling facts or opinions (unless they are pried out of you) that you think my not be in the best interest of your objective, or couching your answers to reflect what the lawyers want to hear. An example would be if one were being questioned in view of being seated on a jury in a trial involving some sort of firearms infraction. One of the Lawyers asks if you are a member of the NRA.

    Your answer; if you want to be seated: “Well….ya, I did a little competition rifle shooting a long time ago. I bought a life membership because it was cheaper that way. I don’t do that anymore and I don’t believe a lot of what NRA does and says.”

    Your answer; if you don’t want to be seated: “Absolutely! I’m a life member and regularly contribute. I support the 2nd Amendment.”

    These positions can all be simultaneously true, but leave vastly different impressions.

    However; by far the most important thing to remember if you want to be selected is to act as dumb as a box of rocks and as malleable as a six year old. That’s what lawyers want. All lawyers. And remember judges are lawyers too. I was always being excused until I figured that out. I started acting stupid and gullible and now I get seated every time. Ira Reiner, LA district attorney at the time, made a training video to teach assistant DAs how to select a jury. It openly stated that they should be looking for folks with a low IQ and a high degree of suggestibility. Lawyers do not want jurors who will take a thing and turn it over, look at all its sides, examine its content. If that seems counter intuitive to what you would want in a ‘justice’ system you need to understand that what we have is not a justice system it is an adversarial system that has been co-opted by the professional adversaries. To them the greatest possible tragedy is not that an innocent person be convicted, it is that the most brilliant lawyer could lose. It’s all about them. That mere laymen be allowed to interfere with their domain is simply unacceptable, and intelligent jurors make that a very real danger. Act dumb!

    Please, consider sitting on every jury you can. I trust the American people and especially the general community of Cal-Gunners a lot more than I do the lawyers and politicians.

    Our lawyers are of course excepted.
    Last edited by Meplat; 12-24-2010, 1:05 AM.
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  • #2
    Lone_Gunman
    Calguns Addict
    • Jan 2009
    • 8396

    I would love to be on a jury. My company will pay me to serve something like up to 8 weeks. I've lived in Sacramento county for almost 4 years now and I have never received a notice. I'm registered to vote, current DL with correct address, home owner, tax payer. They just don't send me one.

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    • #3
      Meplat
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2008
      • 6903

      I have begun to suspect a certain bias in this regard, but I can't prove it. My daughter has been called four times since I have. She is learning disabled and the subject of a conservatorship. I fill out the documents establishing this every time but they keep calling her.

      Originally posted by Lone_Gunman
      I would love to be on a jury. My company will pay me to serve something like up to 8 weeks. I've lived in Sacramento county for almost 4 years now and I have never received a notice. I'm registered to vote, current DL with correct address, home owner, tax payer. They just don't send me one.
      sigpicTake not lightly liberty
      To have it you must live it
      And like love, don't you see
      To keep it you must give it

      "I will talk with you no more.
      I will go now, and fight you."
      (Red Cloud)

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      • #4
        Chester
        Banned
        • Apr 2010
        • 1256

        Haven't been called since I was on a jury 10 years ago. Got reprimanded by my fellow jurors for wondering if the $20 rock of crack the guy got caught with at 3am with no other drugs, money, or paraphrenellia in the car was going to be his third strike. Though there actually was reasonable doubt, I am 100% certain to this day the guy was guilty and I still don't regret voting not guilty in the end. It was a hung jury, 6/6 split and the court appointed attorney had little business defending a teacup let alone a human being. I'm usually not one for giving a damn about my fellow humans, but I'll be damned if I'm going to take it lightly when I'm 1/12th responsible for the rest of someone's life.

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        • #5
          N6ATF
          Banned
          • Jul 2007
          • 8383

          Originally posted by Meplat
          I have begun to suspect a certain bias in this regard, but I can't prove it. My daughter has been called four times since I have. She is learning disabled and the subject of a conservatorship. I fill out the documents establishing this every time but they keep calling her.
          I forget what their exact title is, but have you tried going to the jury administrator at your closest superior court and getting the documents permanently registered and her name stricken from the rolls?

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          • #6
            Meplat
            Calguns Addict
            • Jul 2008
            • 6903

            Originally posted by N6ATF
            I forget what their exact title is, but have you tried going to the jury administrator at your closest superior court and getting the documents permanently registered and her name stricken from the rolls?
            No but it's something to consider. Be easier for me and them both.
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            To have it you must live it
            And like love, don't you see
            To keep it you must give it

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            I will go now, and fight you."
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            • #7
              johnthomas
              Calguns Addict
              • Mar 2009
              • 7001

              I served on a jury in August.

              They asked the potential jurors if they owned guns, half said yes, I was with that half. I didn't want to be on a jury, I answered all the questions honestly and I got picked. It was ok, I'm glad I served.
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              • #8
                xenophobe
                In Memoriam
                • Jan 2006
                • 7069

                Originally posted by Meplat
                Everyone should know that, regardless of what the judge instructs, jurors have a right and duty to judge the law as well as the facts. Indeed, without that option the jury system would be rather pointless.
                I guarantee you almost everyone on every jury that serves doesn't know this to be the truth. In fact, the judge will usually brief the jurors saying exactly the opposite.

                A jury is allowed to find someone innocent even if the defendant admits to committing the crime. Early US trials based on failure to pay taxes often had innocent verdicts given without regard to the law.

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                • #9
                  PsychGuy274
                  Veteran Member
                  • May 2010
                  • 4289

                  I got the summons earlier this year. I wrote a request to postpone due to classes and they said it was OK to reschedule for the summer and that I should call between whatever days in June. So I called, gave them my number and they said that I already served.

                  Might sound weird, but I was kind of looking forward to the opportunity.
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                  • #10
                    Quiet
                    retired Goon
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30241

                    I got jury duty summons in Nov.
                    Requested a postponement due to leaving the country in Nov.
                    They granted postponement and will be issuing another summons in Feb.

                    I was selected to be on a jury only once, several years ago.
                    I got selected because I was a gun owner. The Assistant DA and defense attorney asked "do you own any guns" to everyone in the jury pool.
                    Case was felon in possession of a firearm.
                    Trial ended in hung jury. One jury member would not vote guilty, due to it would have been the defendant's third strike and they did not believe in the three strikes law.
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                    • #11
                      Legasat
                      Intergalactic Member
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 4151

                      I have been summoned 4 times, and served on 3 Juries.

                      It is an eye-opening experience. It doesn't take long to see what is right & wrong with our legal system.

                      I highly recommend it to everyone.
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                      .........STGC(SW)


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                      • #12
                        Dutch3
                        I need a LIFE!!
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 14181

                        Originally posted by johnthomas
                        I served on a jury in August.

                        They asked the potential jurors if they owned guns, half said yes, I was with that half. I didn't want to be on a jury, I answered all the questions honestly and I got picked. It was ok, I'm glad I served.
                        I have been summoned several times and have served on a jury twice. I know many people who try to dodge jury duty, but I enjoy it.

                        Both cases I served on involved firearms, but none of us were asked during the selection process if we owned any guns, etc. On the second trial, we took an informal poll amongst ourselves after entering the jury room. Of the 12 jurors, all 12 owned at least one firearm. 9 owned more than one, 6 owned at least one handgun, and 4 of those were CCW holders.
                        Just taking up space in (what is no longer) the second-worst small town in California.

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                        • #13
                          Dutch3
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 14181

                          Originally posted by Lone_Gunman
                          I would love to be on a jury. My company will pay me to serve something like up to 8 weeks. I've lived in Sacramento county for almost 4 years now and I have never received a notice. I'm registered to vote, current DL with correct address, home owner, tax payer. They just don't send me one.
                          I don't know about Sac, but here in Butte Co. there is a form you can get at the courthouse and submit to be placed on the list.
                          Just taking up space in (what is no longer) the second-worst small town in California.

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                          • #14
                            GrizzlyGuy
                            Gun Runner to The Stars
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • May 2009
                            • 5468

                            A good read from FIJA: Jury Duty and the Second Amendment
                            Gun law complexity got you down? Get the FAQs, Jack!

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                            • #15
                              p7m8jg
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 1914

                              My favorite juror story was an older guy who was a farmer, being questioned during voir dire about his gun ownership (the trial involved a shooting).

                              Judge: Do you own any firearms Mr. Juror?
                              Juror: Yes judge, I have a shotgun for the crows in my almond trees.
                              Judge: Do you realize, Mr. Juror, that there's a season for legally hunting crows?
                              Juror: Yes, your honor, I do. If they're in my trees, they're in season.

                              Defense bounced the guy first chance they got.

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