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Old 03-25-2011, 10:29 PM
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As some of you know San Diego has had the illegal requirement of requiring CCW applicants to provide three character references. After several months of emailing them about it, they finally changed it.

I thought this whole thing was going to be pointless, but this goes to show that a little persistence and knowledge of the law goes a long way!

Below are the emails we've sent back and forth.

This is the first email that I sent out on 12-24-10.

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I have been reviewing the 'Carry Concealed Weapon' licensing process for San Diego County and I recently noticed a problem. The problem is located on this website -> http://www.sdsheriff.net/licensing/ccw.html

Under the "documentation" subsection there are a list of three requirements. The last two are of concern to me.

(2) "Three character reference letters are required to assist in substantiating good moral character."
(3) "These letters must be written by local residents and contain a local address and phone number. Letters will not be accepted from any relatives. The writer must also acknowledge he or she understands the letter is for an application for a concealed weapons license."

Based on reading the Penal Code (specifically sections 12050-12054) I noticed that requiring an applicant to supply 'character references' is actually an illegal requirement.

12051(a)(3)(C) of the California Penal Code states, "An applicant shall not be required to complete any additional application or form for a license, or to provide any information other than that necessary to complete the standard application form described in subparagraph (A), except to clarify or interpret information provided by the applicant on the standard application form."

Additionally, 12054(d) of the California Penal Code states, "Except as authorized pursuant to subdivisions (a), (b), and (c), no requirement, charge, assessment, fee, or condition that requires the payment of any additional funds by the applicant may be imposed by any licensing authority as a condition of the application for a license."

I strongly recommend that you read through this document -> http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/dow..._CCW_Guide.pdf for further information on California's CCW issuance laws.

I would appreciate a return email when this matter has been taken care of.

Thank you very much for your time,

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Good Afternoon,

I will forward your message to our License Division. If they desire any changes to the website content, I will be happy to take care of it for them. Thanks for writing.
I immediately replied. I know I got a little harsh on this next part, but I got really upset at the previous response.

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I don't mean to sound brash, but to state, "If they desire," Implies that they have a choice; which they do not. This is not about a random, arbitrary rule that I personally disagree with; this is the law. And San Diego Sheriffs Department is a government run law enforcement agency. They are currently requiring something from applicants that is illegal.

I'm sorry, but they don't have a choice and what they "desire" to do is completely irrelevant; they have to change it.
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In being brief I may have over-simplified my answer to you. It would have been more complete to say that I have forwarded your message to the License Division and to the Sheriff's Legal Advisor. They will have an opportunity to evaluate what you have submitted, and if they determine a change to policy or website content is warranted, I will be happy to make the change on the web. I don't doubt the sincerity of your opinion, but we rely on the legal advice of our legal counsel in setting or revising policy. Thanks again.
Fast forward three months. At this point I kind of forgot about it for a while. Yesterday I remembered it and checked out the website and noticed that they hadn't changed it. I decided to email them again.

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Hello,

It has been three months to the day since our last correspondence and I am curious as to the progress of the changes to your policies. In reviewing the CCW application website I have noticed that the illegal requirement of having three character references has not been eliminated. While this greatly concerns me I understand that there must have been an oversight or there have been more important matters at hand. However, I feel that as a law enforcement agency, you must take every precaution to ensure that your guidelines and policies are within the law.

Please keep me updated on the ETA for the change of this illegal requirement of CCW applicants.

Sincerely,

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And I just got this reply back about 20 minutes ago.

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The site has been edited to reflect the change in requirements.
I just checked their website and I can confirm that they indeed have changed it!

Sometimes I feel like I'm backed into a corner being a firearm owner in this state. But this has showed me that as long as you're persistent and have the proper knowledge behind you, you can influence those around you.
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I just check their website and I can confirm that they indeed have changed it!

Sometimes I feel like I'm backed into a corner being a firearm owner in this state. But this has showed me that as long as you're persistent and have the proper knowledge behind you, you can influence those around you.
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Three cheers for you AND those who saw the light!
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Nice job. That's how we make change, get involved and keep their feet to the fire.
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Mannn... that is AWESOME!!!

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OMG I feel so special right now

And please, feel free to use my emails as a guideline to modify to your liking and send to other agencies with similar illegal requirements. There's no reason this has to stop here!
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OMG I feel so special right now

And please, feel free to use my emails as a guideline to modify to your liking and send to other agencies with similar illegal requirements. There's no reason this has to stop here!
don't mind if i do

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OMG I feel so special right now

And please, feel free to use my emails as a guideline to modify to your liking and send to other agencies with similar illegal requirements. There's no reason this has to stop here!
This stuff takes real effort, and you're right that it shouldn't stop here. Call or write your licensing authority and inform them of what they *should* be doing. Use the flowchart and guide at www.gotcarry.org for help navigating the convoluted code.

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Very cool! One step at a time, I'm hoping we see shall-issue in San Diego County soon
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Great job, i very much enjoyed reading your rebuttal to there first response.

How can they just make stuff up that is not to the law and insert it into legal protocall.

Its like changing the law just to be able to get an arrest on someone who would otherwise be not guilty, its just crazy.
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Reading this thread makes me very happy!!!!



If everyone in our society questioned authority this way, there would be many less problems. . . or as we call them - opportunities. . .

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Great job, i very much enjoyed reading your rebuttal to there first response.

How can they just make stuff up that is not to the law and insert it into legal protocall.

Its like changing the law just to be able to get an arrest on someone who would otherwise be not guilty, its just crazy.
I wouldn't go that far.

I highly doubt their old policy was a deliberate attempt to break the law. A lot us on Calguns spend hours a day attempting to decode the California Penal Code. A lot of times we fail and/or come up short due to how complex it is because we're human. Those individuals that run law enforcement agencies are also human and are prone to the same inadequacies as us when attempting to decipher the penal code. After all, they did rectify the situation.
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Great Job! I feel a lot here contributes due to the substance of how you presented your facts to them… simple, clear and to the point, rather than some full out rant.

How one presents themselves goes well and above the rest.

Again, nice job and good on them as well, even if it did take another need for contact and three months later.
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I tend to agree with this. There is a company that writes these for counties (I can't remember the name), and it is possible that this company may have accidentally inserted errors. Again, I don't know - but it is possible.

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Well i dont know how they write laws but surely someone has the job of reviewing it once its written, proof read at least.

Oh yer, it was you.
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In the case of San Diego, and a few others, there is evidence it was intentional. Most are due to disinterested in the issue.
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The issue is that each county can set its own "administrative policy." I don't know - but it appears that some counties may have paid a company to write these policies for them.

I really do not know more than that.

"Proof reading" is what happens after the lawyer "reviews" a document. It is usually done by a staff person.

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Very nice work!

I do not think this was an honest mistake on their part. This appears to be yet another way LEA are putting up barriers to entry in the hopes that interested parties will simply think it's too hard to apply for a CCW and give up. There is nothing honest about making up illegal requirements and seeing how long they can get away with it before someone like OP calls them out on it.
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Good job.

As for it being unintentional, we aren't talking about typos here. It looks like an attempt to discourage the prospective applicants before they even apply. It's not like such tactics are very uncommon in this state.
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This is great news, so now somebody needs to give the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department a smack down because they require 3 written references and four references that they personally contact. They only get away with this stuff when no one holds their feet to the fire and tells them that what they are doing is illegal.
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Good work! One man or woman can make a difference.

A while back I wrote my local police chief a letter asking him to fix an illegal aspect of their CCW policy and got positive results. Our chief is actually pretty cool. He's going to be the guest chef at one of local restaurants and cook up some Decomposed Fried Oyster Po' Boy with Caper Remulade Sauce (among other dishes). I might have to drop by, pig out and threaten to withhold his tip unless he publishes the new policy.
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I notice that the OC Sheriff has the same requirement of 3 letters of reference.
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