AW versus Pistol ?

[sfguyhere]

So, I may be a little confused, but...

I was under the impression that if you have a pistol, the magazine has to go into the pistol's grip. If it's outside the grip then it can be considered an AW? With a few excemptions for the Olympic type pistols.

(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.

so, if this is the case, doesn't the new Kel Tech 5.56 both have a magazine outside the pistol grip and have a shroud on the barrel?

Also, does this make a broomhandle Mauser with detachable magazine an AW? That sounds retarded, but just asking.

I see a lot of "pistol" AR's and Kel Techs...

thanks!

[CHS]

Bullet button renders evil features on pistols moot, just like a rifle.

Just remember though that the features for pistols, rifles, and shotguns are all different.

[wash]

They use bullet buttons so they don't have "capacity to accept a detachable magazine".

I think the broom handle Mauser is a special case as a C&R handgun but I could be wrong.

[bwiese]

So, I may be a little confused, but...

I was under the impression that if you have a pistol, the magazine has to go into the pistol's grip. If it's outside the grip then it can be considered an AW? With a few excemptions for the Olympic type pistols.

Yes, certain limited Olympic pistols are exempt from AW laws.

Yes, a magwell outside the pistol grip is a feature of a pistol-based AW.
However, AW status is negated for such pistols if either (1) the gun has a nondetachble magazine (i.e, BulletButton maglock) or (2) the gun is not a semiautomatic (i.e. requires manual cycling each round)

so, if this is the case, doesn't the new Kel Tech 5.56 both have a magazine outside the pistol grip and have a shroud on the barrel?

Yes, however people in CA have them as non-AWs because they have a BulletButton installed.

Also, does this make a broomhandle Mauser with detachable magazine an AW? That sounds retarded, but just asking.

A Mauser Broomhandle with the detachable box magazine is INDEED a CA assault weapon via the pistol definition you quoted above.

A Mauser Broomhandle with the detachable box magazine is INDEED a CA assault weapon via the pistol definition you quoted above.

There is no "C&R exemption' for AWs, although there is one for 50BMG rifles. The C&R community is often not up to speed on these things.

Quite a few semiauto pistols (1911s and others) have internal threaded barrels covered by muzzle weights, and these are AWs even though their owners may well never have disassembled them to find that out.

[sfguyhere]

Thanks ! I knew I wasn't imagining things!

[AlexDD]

iIRC I thought a Mauser was a fixed magazine pistol that was clip fed from top.

[PEBKAC]

iIRC I thought a Mauser was a fixed magazine pistol that was clip fed from top.

Yes, it typically is. However there are box fed magazine versions. I actually did see one in a gunstore for way more than I could afford. Who knows if it is still there though.

[bohoki]

they wanted to ban tec-9s without banning mac 10s

[freonr22]

Charter arms explorer II .22 shorten mag release, drill hole for .223 tip ok? Had posted in gunmithing section last 1-2 days. On phone