About to get crazy on some CCW etc. applications

[Table Rock Arms]

A couple of things in response to previous posts.

There are so many kitchen table FFLs in this country its not even funny. The ATF will give out an FFL based on your compliance with local laws and codes. There are lots of people who live out of town, or in small towns where there are really no restrictions as far as zoning or anything else. It is very easy for those people to get FFL's out of their house. I would be willing to bet you won't get one in NYC though.

The ATF 100% cares about the for profit nature of your business. You don't have to go out and make a bunch of money, but you have to try. If ATF gets wind of the idea that you are in the gun business for anything other than to make money, your done.

AJAX22, what happened to your deal in Montana where we are all gonna get nation wide CCW? That sounded more promising than turning NYC into a gun culture.

Ryan

[press1280]

As far as out-of-state CCWs-FL,VA,UT,CT,NH,ME, and now AZ will do by mail. Several others do non-resident permits but you must go there, like NV,TX,WA, a few others-Check handgunlaw.us.
As far as your other questions, I'm not sure but I think you'll need to get a premisis permit to bring your guns into the city. From what I've heard that could take 6-12 months.
Also, as far as a NYC CCW case, the Kalchasky case in Westchester (I believe) covers the same Federal district as NYC. So, there's already something in motion there.

[supersonic]

AJAX22, what happened to your deal in Montana where we are all gonna get nation wide CCW? That sounded more promising than turning NYC into a gun culture.
Ryan

^^What he said.......

[AJAX22]

The Montana project is still moving forward. (and looking good I might add)

Im just looking to make the most of my new NYC address. the only reason I didn't file for all of this sooner was I was living in student housing....

One of the Mai. Reasons for pursuing the NYC permits/licensing is sothat I can understand the process well enough that I can help walk other people through it.

There is a push right now from some of the minority communities to arm all te buisness owners, and there are a number of Jewish self defense leagues who are looking at possibly arming up, and the only thing that stops them is the perception that they will be arbitrarily denied.

I'm trying to make the most of this opportunity.

[dantodd]

Good luck on getting your permits and raising a stink in NYC, they can sure use it. However; I suspect that your 2A activism, particularly the Montana CCW project and the "book" project would make you a less than desirable plaintiff so I wouldn't worry about setting yourself up to be an equal protection test case. I am sure that Gura et. al. can find a plaintiff like McDonald in NY City, particularly with the flood of returning vets we've had over the last decade.

[Gray Peterson]

I had a friend of a friend move to NYC for school as well. When he got there he tried to get permits for his handguns. He got one for his .22 (Ruger MKII), but when he asked about one for his .45 (1911) they basically laughed him out of the station.

Apparently NYPD doesn't want their subjects to have ANY firepower that is better and/or more powerful than their own. Good luck!

Um....does this friend still live in NYC? You and I need to talk about this because I can tell you that having a pistol in one's home is a shall-issue proposition in NY.

[CHS]

Um....does this friend still live in NYC? You and I need to talk about this because I can tell you that having a pistol in one's home is a shall-issue proposition in NY.

I'm honestly not sure if he still lives there. This was NYC though, not just NY. I think there were other permits he needed maybe?

Since he's not my friend and rather a FoaF, I'll have to ask around to see if he's still out there.

But what you're saying is, if someone lives in Manhattan and owns a .45, they just need to apply for the permit and it's shall-issue for their apartment?

[hitman13]

Az issues out of state permits, one of the easiest to get....

[CHS]

Az issues out of state permits, one of the easiest to get....

Last I checked though you had to physically go to Arizona to take the class in order to get the permit.

The actual permit can be gotten via the mail, but you still have to take a class, and that class has to be in Arizona.

If that has changed and there are now class locations outside of Arizona, I would like to know since Arizona is one of the states that I actually travel to quite frequently (grew up there, have friends there), and would love to have a CCW. Unfortunately, most of my trips are weekends or 3-day's where I don't have the time for a CCW class.

[Gray Peterson]

But what you're saying is, if someone lives in Manhattan and owns a .45, they just need to apply for the permit and it's shall-issue for their apartment?

Yes.

[N6ATF]

So, did you just win the lottery, man? This sounds like it'll cost mucho dinero.

[pitchbaby]

Ditch the CCW Apps... Use all that angst and energy to wrangle down Montana

[hitman13]

Last I checked though you had to physically go to Arizona to take the class in order to get the permit.

The actual permit can be gotten via the mail, but you still have to take a class, and that class has to be in Arizona.

If that has changed and there are now class locations outside of Arizona, I would like to know since Arizona is one of the states that I actually travel to quite frequently (grew up there, have friends there), and would love to have a CCW. Unfortunately, most of my trips are weekends or 3-day's where I don't have the time for a CCW class.

http://www.azccw.com/requirements.htm

You can take a class OR meet another req outlined in subsection N para 2-9

So take class approved by AZ DPS or:

2. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety.

3. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Arizona game and fish department or a similar agency of another state.

4. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.

5. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class that is offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies or other divisions or subdivisions of law enforcement or security enforcement and that is approved by the department of public safety.

6. Evidence of current military service or proof 0f honorable discharge or general discharge under honorable conditions from the United States armed forces.

7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.

8. Completion of any governmental police agency firearms training course and qualification to carry a firearm in the course of normal police duties.

9. Completion of any other firearms training that the department of public safety deems acceptable.

[CHS]

http://www.azccw.com/requirements.htm

You can take a class OR meet another req outlined in subsection N para 2-9

Awesome! Thank you

[xxsleepyxx]

No permit is required for AZ CCW right?