Celeb tattoo artist Jonathan Shaw arrested for arsenal of weapons including AK-47 ***

[ed bernay]

the owner was not responsible for sure but do you think he is facing jail because of that? No he is facing prison because he didn't have a permission slip.

This shipping company should be avoided. Why the heck are they going through their customers stuff.

[Seesm]

Just Bs that they called the cops... But having said that a California buddy moved to one of the New England states.. (I forget as he is back in Ca. now)

He brought all his Ca legal guns there... But them in a lockable closet till he coudl move his safe....
Then he came back to CA for work stuff and had a buddy doing some plumbing. Said buddy plumber found a old M1 Carbine (rusted up) in the rafters of part of the house... (from old owners)
Plumber set it on the kitchen table and forgot about it... few days later some other worker in his new home called the cops after finding the rifle... Cops BREAK into home to search (no warrant that I know of) Break into closet and find his CACHE with no ammo... :P
When he lands the following week he has a VM about coming to the station... he is charged with all sorts of stuff and told he could try to get a CCW and they "may" drop some charges... He goes through CCW hoops and get it... And pays fines etc etc...
Cops state its also illegal to have the guns locked in the closet... He is however allowed to own a "GLASS" case and lock his guns in that... LAME...
With his CCW it states he MUST have a full magazine at ALL times and could be FINED if he is caught without a full mag... Just a weird state all around...

In Eeither deals I would be PISSED...

[bandook]

The story from the shipping company:



I guess the "banana clip" pushed them over the edge...

It probably was what they thought to be explosives (which turned out to be large fireworks).
Also, consider the location - NYC. Post 9/11, Explosives & Guns = Terrorist.

[Ford8N]

First Global Xpress (FGX)...Justin Brown, CEO of FGX ...doesn't oppose the Second Amendment's Right to Bear Arms

B.S.!!!!!!!

They could have handled it differently. A phone call to Jonathan Shaw would have solved a lot of problems. Of course we are only getting part of the story. I looked up First Global Xpress and will remember this if I have to ship.

[aileron]

Do I understand this happened in NYC and he was in violation of NYC firearms laws? I don't like their stink'n firearms laws any more than the rest of you but if I go there I'm going to obey their laws or be willing to face the consequences. I don't have a lot of sympathy for this guy.

No sympathy huh.... I find it fascinated that the State doesn't preempt their silly city laws. The city is boldly stating... "You can not exercise your constitutional rights here that you can in the rest of the state."

Something fundamentally wrong with that. If he doesn't own anything illegal in the state... it might be an interesting lawsuit. Though IANAL.

[DannyInSoCal]

Movers = "Undocumented Democrats".....

[Ed_in_Sac]

NYC has 3 year mandatory minimums on firearms which are not permitted by the city.

Purchasing them elsewhere in the state legally does not allow you to bring them into the city... period.

and possession of ammunition of a type that is not for a firearm permitted by the city is a separate felony count for each round. (my understanding of it)

plus the AK, while it may well be legal under NY laws, is definitely an assault weapon under the more restrictive NYC laws.

and the magazines for it are a separate and significant issue if they are over 5 rounds.

I did not know how restrictive the rotten apple is. Am not going to start a "is that legal under 2a" spiel, but I am shaking my head.

Thanks for clarifying the situation, never thought of that.

[thrasherfox]

Uhhh they found an air rifle? lol

[N6ATF]

Yeah, or wrapping them up, putting them back into the safe and letting them move the safe.

Haven't you heard? Possession of a safe is a class B felony in NYC. How dare anyone try to secure their constitutionally-protected possessions against criminals and tyrants!

[Kid Stanislaus]

are you serious? They violate his constitutional rights and you have no sympathy for him? At what point will you resist a politicans' violation of your constitutional rights (or at least have sympathy for those that do)? Do you have sympathy for those killed at Waco or did those religious nuts deserve it too?

The state did NOT violate his constitutional rights. They acted on credible information provided them by the movers. These firearms were not concealed, the movers did not have to break open a container to see them.

[ed bernay]

The state did NOT violate his constitutional rights. They acted on credible information provided them by the movers. These firearms were not concealed, the movers did not have to break open a container to see them.

Did not violate his constitutional rights? Did he hand the movers individual unwrapped and loaded weapons? I was under the impression that he had his stuff in a bag. Not the smartest thing to have loaded weapons in an unsecured bag but is that worthy of prison? The movers apparently went into his bag...no? They would not have known the guns were loaded if they did what they were hired to do. If I hire a mover, that means to move the stuff, not go through it.

How about NYPD arresting the man and potentially putting him in prison, for what...not getting a bureaucrats permission slip to exercise his fundamental right to own a firearm. I would consider that a violation of his constitutional right. What he had would not be illegal in most of the USA. How can Americans be criminals in one jurisdiction and not other jurisdictions for activity that is not hurting anyone.

[AJAX22]

Uhhh they found an air rifle? lol

Air rifles are seperatly restricted, and require a special permit to handle.. there is no mechanism whereby you can legally use/own one within NYC... the only provision for them involves import/sale/wholesale, and then (IIRC) you can't dispose of them to anyone else within the city and there are a few other restictions involving transport and packaging.

Oh and its another felony.

NYC, DC, and Chicago are where we need to be fighting right now.

We've got to hit these bastards where they live.

there ARE gun people here, they just don't know how to do it legally.

[LockJaw]

No sympathy huh.... I find it fascinated that the State doesn't preempt their silly city laws. The city is boldly stating... "You can not exercise your constitutional rights here that you can in the rest of the state."

Something fundamentally wrong with that. If he doesn't own anything illegal in the state... it might be an interesting lawsuit. Though IANAL.

What and go against the Great and Powerful OZ (Mayor Blowhard)!


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[Wherryj]

Don't understand the entire thing. Was it because he left a loaded gun where felons had access to it? Other than that I don't see any problems, he stated all the guns were purchased in N.Y. so they must be permissible. As to the hype about the knives and ammo, that is just sensationalism on the part of the press.

I didn't see a specific statement, but does that "loaded" rifle fit the legal definition of "loaded" or did it have ammunition in a magazine attached to the rifle without a round in the chamber?

[Wherryj]

Did not violate his constitutional rights? Did he hand the movers individual unwrapped and loaded weapons? I was under the impression that he had his stuff in a bag. Not the smartest thing to have loaded weapons in an unsecured bag but is that worthy of prison? The movers apparently went into his bag...no? They would not have known the guns were loaded if they did what they were hired to do. If I hire a mover, that means to move the stuff, not go through it.

How about NYPD arresting the man and potentially putting him in prison, for what...not getting a bureaucrats permission slip to exercise his fundamental right to own a firearm. I would consider that a violation of his constitutional right. What he had would not be illegal in most of the USA. How can Americans be criminals in one jurisdiction and not other jurisdictions for activity that is not hurting anyone.

Well, at least this citizen who has had his constitutional rights violated in such questionable ways is "connected". This could get interesting.

OJ was obviously guilty, but money/connections can do funny things to criminal charges.