bringing a pistol in from out of state

[eldonvieira]

I am considering going to an out of state class to build a 1911 as I understand it to transfer it into Ca I would need to ship it to the FFL here with a longer barrel and a fixed mag that will not accept any rounds. Have I missed anything?

[wash]

Not enough information.

How do you obtain the frame?

[eldonvieira]

The frame and all parts are part of the class cost and are there when you arrive at the end of the class the gun is shipped to your FFL

[wash]

Ok, yes you just have to make it a dimensionally compliant single shot.

I would suggest you contact Norse Armory because they do that kind of stuff all the time and may offer better advise than me.

[Glock22Fan]

Two questions: Where (and how expensive) is this out of state course and can you convert it back to take normal capacity 1911 magazines once it is back here?

[dantodd]

If this were an 80% build could you being it back on your own or would you still have to transfer it via an FFL?

[wash]

I believe an 80% finished out of state would need a voluntary registration at least (to comply with the law).

You can't buy a firearm out of state without transferring through a CA FFL.

I don't know of a law saying you can't make a firearm out of state but bringing it in would be importation which should work the same way as a person moving in to CA with guns.

A good question is if finishing an 80% out of state would allow you to avoid the dimensionally compliant single shot step to fit through the roster exemption?

I wouldn't bet that you could skip that, but since a person moving to CA can import non-rostered handguns, I don't see why a CA resident couldn't do the same (but there may be a reason I don't know).

Either way, I wouldn't want to because if you finish the 80% in state, there is no importation and no registration required. I like an un-papered gun better...

[dantodd]

Either way, I wouldn't want to because if you finish the 80% in state, there is no importation and no registration required. I like an un-papered gun better...

but, just like this assembly workshop I can easily imagine a build from scratch workshop where you start with an 80% frame and build it up in the workshop with professional guidance and tools.

[wash]

Well, the ATF might not like that.

I have heard of a place getting shut down for one stop shopping that allowed a customer to go from 80% to a complete gun.

Even if it could be done, it would be better to do it in CA to avoid registration.

[ke6guj]

going from 80% to 100% while out of state and then bringing it back to your home state might violate federal law.

No person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, shall transport into or receive in the State where the person resides (or if a corporation or other business entity, where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State: Provided, That the provisions of this section:

[wash]

Ok, then an out of state 80% might make zero sense.

If this were really important to me (it's not), I would ask a good lawyer to review that part of the law, if federal law is as bad as CA law, there is probably a work-around.

[eldonvieira]

Arkansas 3500 for 6 days fitting all the pieces and building your gun

[eldonvieira]

This would be to learn so I could do an 80%build here

[wash]

Does it start from an 80%?

[dantodd]

going from 80% to 100% while out of state and then bringing it back to your home state might violate federal law.

I assume you mean without going through a CA FFL.

Having to transfer your own firearm to yourself..... Yippeeee...