Reopening the NFA registry

[sorensen440]

I think you vastly over estimate those willing to pay 3k for a NFA stamp.

Id pay it

[wash]

I understand. Even before 1986 FA's were illegal in KA. Just b/c something is Federally legal, it doesn't mean the states can't ban it themselves. Unless the Fed. moves to occupy the entire field, states are free to regulate more heavily. So, even if the Fed ditched the NFA altogether, unless they moved to occupy the entire field we here in KA will remain with our snotty noses pressed against the window.

Sorry.

If it's unconstitutional for the federal government to ban full auto firearms, then it's unconstitutional for California.

While Nicki might be right about not having the votes in SCOTUS, after we beat up the Anti's enough and get back 99% of our rights, gun control might no longer be a litmus test for SCOTUS nominees and we might actually get justices that can tell that arms doesn't mean everything except machineguns.

[xLusi0n]

There are a lot of people with a lot of money invested in MGs that would not like to see their investment drop like their 401K/home values did a few years ago. Those people are in positions that influence or have the ability to influence gun-related lobby groups.

Not to mention that supporting anything to do with putting more MG in the hands of the public is political suicide for any legislator.

[NightOwl]

Not to mention that supporting anything to do with putting more MG in the hands of the public is political suicide for any legislator.

I'm not sure I agree with that. While there might not be enough legislators to pass something along those lines, I wouldn't go so far as to say that none are adequately supported by their constituants to make noises to that effect.

[Kharn]

There are a lot of people with a lot of money invested in MGs that would not like to see their investment drop like their 401K/home values did a few years ago. Those people are in positions that influence or have the ability to influence gun-related lobby groups.

Not to mention that supporting anything to do with putting more MG in the hands of the public is political suicide for any legislator.

The vast majority of MG owners are in it for the grins, not the money. Anyone that stated they hope the MG ban remains in place to protect their investment at Knob Creek would be chased out of town.

[yellowfin]

Not to mention that supporting anything to do with putting more MG in the hands of the public is political suicide for any legislator.

Any legislator from California and Maryland, perhaps, but other than that most wouldn't have a problem.

[Bhobbs]

I would buy one of those Mini M1919's that shoots .22 LR. Probably the only MG I could afford to shoot.

[Kharn]

Reagan signed the bill on NRA's advice. In hind sight, what is easier, getting ammo deregulated or allowing the public to own MG's ? It was a bad trade off, which should not have happened.

An MG you for which you have to buy ammo by the 20 count box from the local gun store isn't very useful beyond being a paperweight. Try finding 7.7, 7.92k, 8mm, even FMJ .30-06 (9mm was even somewhat hard to find before Beretta won the Army handgun contract) in any significant quantity (more than 2-3 boxes) for anything less than highway robbery prices at a gun store within driving distance without using the internet, that is what life was like before 1986.

No one expected gun rights to advance as far as they did under the FOPA until just before it was signed into law. Just like no one expected Heller to win until Roberts and Alito were sworn in and even then it was a nailbiter.

[timmyb21]

Getting rid of all the stupid California regulations would be my top priority.

This. All I want is to have my so called assault weapon be configured the way it was designed: pistol grip, detachable un-neutered mags, and a big scary flash hider. Can we take care of this before going after the NFA?

[stag1500]

Glad to hear that, it must be nice being being able to afford all that. May god bless you with more. I am sure there are lots of "rich" people out there that can do better.

What about guys like me, who are financially mediocre (or maybe even below average in some standards) ??

Let's not forget that the $200 tax stamp in 1934 was meant to be cost prohibitive. An outright ban at time wouldn't have survived so they resorted to the next best thing.

$200 today might seem somewhat insignificant, but that's neither here nor there. The government taxing someone for exercising their constitutional right is just wrong no matter what the size of the tax may be.

[B Strong]

An MG you for which you have to buy ammo by the 20 count box from the local gun store isn't very useful beyond being a paperweight.

Try finding 7.7, 7.92k, 8mm, even FMJ .30-06 (9mm was even somewhat hard to find before Beretta won the Army handgun contract) in any significant quantity (more than 2-3 boxes) for anything less than highway robbery prices at a gun store within driving distance without using the internet, that is what life was like before 1986.

No one expected gun rights to advance as far as they did under the FOPA until just before it was signed into law. Just like no one expected Heller to win until Roberts and Alito were sworn in and even then it was a nailbiter.

Maybe because I'm kinda an old fart I know different, but I can tell you that long before the internet, there was this thing we used to find ammo in quntity for reasonable prices:

Shotgun News

All the calibers you referenced (except for 7.7 Jap) were available in quantity cheap. My friends and I bought /06 and 7.92 Mauser by the pallet load, under .20 a round.

Belted ammo was similarly priced.

Cheap 7.62 x 39 didn't come around until the early eightes when the Chinese stuff first came in, but that was before the 'net too.

[Draankol]

But if they were still $200 and the registry were reopened you could buy 3 for the price of one.

15, actually...

[Kharn]

Maybe because I'm kinda an old fart I know different, but I can tell you that long before the internet, there was this thing we used to find ammo in quntity for reasonable prices:

Shotgun News

All the calibers you referenced (except for 7.7 Jap) were available in quantity cheap. My friends and I bought /06 and 7.92 Mauser by the pallet load, under .20 a round.

Belted ammo was similarly priced.

Cheap 7.62 x 39 didn't come around until the early eightes when the Chinese stuff first came in, but that was before the 'net too.

But IIRC you had to be an FFL to buy from Shotgun News' ammo dealers at the time, due to the GCA.

[B Strong]

But IIRC you had to be an FFL to buy from Shotgun News' ammo dealers at the time, due to the GCA.

Wrong.

Sarco, Paragon, Global, J & G sales, all would sell to non-FFL holders, especially when you'd buy by the pallet.

[bondmid003]

I think it's true, it'll take a quite a few years for the courts to become comfortable enough with FA weapons to fairly consider the challenge the 1968 law that closed the registry. But what if we, gunowners of America, pitch towards a legislative solution which takes advantage of current concern with fiscal situation? Let us say that out of 80,000,000 gun owners only 1% would want to purchase a fully automatic weapon - a fairly conservative assumption, I'd say. And let us further say that the tax stamp for the FA weapons was set at something like $3000 - a rough equivalent of what $200 stamp was in the 1930s. That is $2.5B - a hefty chunk of change towards paying off the debt. Not to mention the stimulus to the economy of producing 800,000 guns. I think it could work. What do you think?

I've got some swampland in Arizona to sell if you believe the antis will ever allow that to happen brother. Also 1986 and the Hughes amendment to the FOPA is what forever closed the books on full auto weapons.